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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
we pretty much know there is nothing else that close.
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And when you get beyond 10.
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Because they would have discovered us.
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Yeah, they would have been discovered as long ago,
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or if they're really close,
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we would have probably noted some engineering projects
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that they're doing.
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And if it's beyond 10 to the 26 meters,
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that's already outside of here.
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So my guess is actually that we are the only life in here
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that's gotten the point of building advanced tech,
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which I think is very,
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puts a lot of responsibility on our shoulders, not screw up.
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I think people who take for granted
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that it's okay for us to screw up,
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have an accidental nuclear war or go extinct somehow
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because there's a sort of Star Trek like situation out there
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where some other life forms are gonna come and bail us out
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and it doesn't matter as much.
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I think they're leveling us into a false sense of security.
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I think it's much more prudent to say,
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let's be really grateful
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for this amazing opportunity we've had
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and make the best of it just in case it is down to us.
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So from a physics perspective,
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do you think intelligent life,
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so it's unique from a sort of statistical view
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of the size of the universe,
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but from the basic matter of the universe,
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how difficult is it for intelligent life to come about?
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The kind of advanced tech building life
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is implied in your statement that it's really difficult
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to create something like a human species.
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Well, I think what we know is that going from no life
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to having life that can do a level of tech,
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there's some sort of two going beyond that
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than actually settling our whole universe with life.
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There's some major roadblock there,
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which is some great filter as it's sometimes called,
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which is tough to get through.
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It's either that roadblock is either behind us
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or in front of us.
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I'm hoping very much that it's behind us.
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I'm super excited every time we get a new report from NASA
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saying they failed to find any life on Mars.
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I'm like, yes, awesome.
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Because that suggests that the hard part,
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maybe it was getting the first ribosome
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or some very low level kind of stepping stone
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so that we're home free.
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Because if that's true,
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then the future is really only limited
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by our own imagination.
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It would be much suckier if it turns out
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that this level of life is kind of a dime a dozen,
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but maybe there's some other problem.
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Like as soon as a civilization gets advanced technology,
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within a hundred years,
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they get into some stupid fight with themselves and poof.
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That would be a bummer.
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Yeah, so you've explored the mysteries of the universe,
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the cosmological universe, the one that's sitting
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between us today.
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I think you've also begun to explore the other universe,
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which is sort of the mystery,
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the mysterious universe of the mind of intelligence,
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of intelligent life.
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So is there a common thread between your interest
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or the way you think about space and intelligence?
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Oh yeah, when I was a teenager,
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I was already very fascinated by the biggest questions.
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And I felt that the two biggest mysteries of all in science
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were our universe out there and our universe in here.
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So it's quite natural after having spent
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a quarter of a century on my career,
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thinking a lot about this one,
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that I'm now indulging in the luxury
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of doing research on this one.
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It's just so cool.
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I feel the time is ripe now
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for you trans greatly deepening our understanding of this.
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Just start exploring this one.
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Yeah, because I think a lot of people view intelligence
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as something mysterious that can only exist
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in biological organisms like us,
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and therefore dismiss all talk
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about artificial general intelligence as science fiction.
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But from my perspective as a physicist,
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I am a blob of quarks and electrons
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moving around in a certain pattern
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and processing information in certain ways.
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And this is also a blob of quarks and electrons.
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I'm not smarter than the water bottle
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because I'm made of different kinds of quarks.
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I'm made of up quarks and down quarks,
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exact same kind as this.
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There's no secret sauce, I think, in me.
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It's all about the pattern of the information processing.
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And this means that there's no law of physics
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saying that we can't create technology,
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