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elmlang

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I just finished updating my application from 0.18 and 0.19, but using `--optimize` only gets the compiled file from 1.2MB to 1.1MB. I guess I was expecting more. Could I be doing something wrong?

2018-12-31T04:52:41.387200

Fred

elmlang

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<@Fred> `--optimize` doesn't minify but it does have an output that is easier to minify <https://guide.elm-lang.org/optimization/asset_size.html#instructions> provides the best command for minifying

2018-12-31T05:03:15.388300

Earlean

elmlang

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Aha

2018-12-31T05:03:36.388500

Fred

elmlang

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That's better

2018-12-31T05:07:06.388900

Fred

elmlang

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127k -&gt; 84k

2018-12-31T05:07:16.389200

Fred

elmlang

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Happy new year all. I'm wondering why in the Elm docs, it is so discouraged to write effect manager helpers? If I knew why it was discouraged, it might give me an idea for how to implement some kind of alternative. <https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/elm/core/latest/Platform>

2018-12-31T07:56:50.390600

Santina

elmlang

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I don't think you even CAN write an effect manager since 0.19

2018-12-31T08:02:58.392100

Mirian

elmlang

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It seems possible given the documentation,

2018-12-31T08:03:09.392300

Santina

elmlang

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unless the documentation is outdated

2018-12-31T08:03:12.392500

Santina

elmlang

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Yeah I think this is outdated but somebody got to confirm this

2018-12-31T08:03:37.392700

Mirian

elmlang

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As to why - we loose all guarantees that elm gives us when we just wrap js code

2018-12-31T08:04:50.392900

Mirian

elmlang

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If you need to access some js library ports are the way to go

2018-12-31T08:06:49.393100

Mirian

elmlang

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effect managers are not necessarily using JS code though. The main problem with them is that they store state outside of the model. This does indeed break the nice guarantees that elm otherwise provides. They are also discouraged because they are the "easy" solution, thinking about the problem harder in an elm context likely gives a better solution

2018-12-31T08:07:45.393300

Virgie

elmlang

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Thanks for the tips, <@Mirian> and <@Virgie>!

2018-12-31T08:09:05.393500

Santina

elmlang

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I'm trying to write a shrinker (elm-explorations/test v1.2.0) for my own data structure but fail to import module 'Lazy.List' ("I cannot find that module!"). Importing module 'Shrink' works without problems. Any ideas?

2018-12-31T08:44:20.395900

Lavonna

elmlang

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looks like it is not exported. Do you need anything besides the type signature? (also try <#C0CLGCMMF|testing> )

2018-12-31T08:48:21.396500

Virgie

elmlang

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Where do you get the info from that it is not exported? (-&gt;Where should I look to find this out myself?) I thought I need it because the 'Shrink' doc (<https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/elm-explorations/test/1.2.0/Shrink>) says a shrinker should produce a lazy list and I had a look at the provided implementations. Can I produce any kind of lazy list (maybe from other packages)?

2018-12-31T09:04:59.400100

Lavonna

elmlang

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ah . . . "elm.json" in the package source contains the info, what modules are exposed

2018-12-31T09:08:11.400900

Lavonna

elmlang

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in the docs <https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/elm-explorations/test/latest/Shrink#lazylist> exposed types are blue/clickable. `LazyList` isn't

2018-12-31T09:17:43.401400

Virgie

elmlang

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not true - for example `Shrinker` is exposed but not blue/clickable

2018-12-31T09:19:44.401500

Howard

elmlang

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Hmm, that did work before. Might be dropped in 0.19

2018-12-31T09:26:16.401700

Virgie

elmlang

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also it does work for `elm/core` <https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/elm/core/latest/String>

2018-12-31T09:26:41.401900

Virgie

elmlang

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maybe it only works for types and not aliases?

2018-12-31T09:27:28.402100

Virgie

elmlang

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Can someone explain what is meant by “effect manager”?

2018-12-31T09:32:48.402400

Rosalee

elmlang

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they are something used in the implementation of subscriptions and commands, for instance the browser package uses them for keyboard and mouse events <https://github.com/elm/browser/blob/1.0.1/src/Browser/Events.elm#L246>

2018-12-31T09:47:22.402700

Virgie

elmlang

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but, like native code, they break guarantees and thus can only be used by the core team in specific packages

2018-12-31T09:47:50.402900

Virgie

elmlang

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thx - wasn't aware that the links correspond to the exposed types

2018-12-31T10:01:00.403100

Lavonna

elmlang

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Although in my special case (at most one possibility ever) I would conceptually get away with a regular list, the compiler insists on a 'Lazy.List.LazyList' . . . is there a more elegant way to solve this, than to replicate/copy the corresponding non-exposed code from 'elm-explorations/test'?

2018-12-31T10:37:38.406000

Lavonna

elmlang

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really depends on the specifics I think. The folks in <#C0CLGCMMF|testing> will know more (also sharing the specifics might help)

2018-12-31T11:12:22.406700

Virgie

elmlang

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thx - I'll ask there

2018-12-31T12:24:34.407200

Lavonna

elmlang

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new in town and looking for a jumpstart to accessing airtable from ELM. wondering if the is a GraphQL package. just getting started…

2018-12-31T12:25:49.408400

Lizeth

elmlang

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join us in <#C0RSQNQ92|graphql>

2018-12-31T12:40:33.408700

Rosalee

elmlang

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Tldr, check out <https://github.com/dillonkearns/elm-graphql>

2018-12-31T12:40:50.409000

Rosalee

elmlang

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Imagine the best of Graphql and Elm. Impossible to write an invalid query. Not just a syntactically invalid query. You can only build queries your api can return a valid response for.

2018-12-31T12:42:49.410900

Rosalee

elmlang

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Hi I have been on and off with elm for different versions.. during signals.. then subscriptions... I have written a few apps in elm during that time. I now require to write an App for my startup :slightly_smiling_face: Can someone tell me if there are any new breaking changes ? New design patterns / philosophies ? What are the upcoming / hot topics in Elm ? Thanks for providing any information.

2018-12-31T14:41:34.414300

Britt

elmlang

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I would say to skim the recent conference talks to get an idea of whats hot these days <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOpGiN9AkczVjlpGDaBwQrQ>

2018-12-31T14:44:19.415100

Rosalee

elmlang

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I wish there were a way to easily look at the optimized output of a package.

2018-12-31T16:26:44.416700

Wendell

elmlang

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Is there an equivalent for `Date.fromString` in Elm .19, to parse a time string into a Posix?

2018-12-31T16:56:42.417700

Macy

elmlang

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<@Macy> Maybe <https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/rtfeldman/elm-iso8601-date-strings/latest>

2018-12-31T16:59:15.418100

Aurore

elmlang

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Thanks, <@Aurore>

2018-12-31T17:00:13.418400

Macy

elmlang

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Happy new year! :slightly_smiling_face:

2019-01-01T00:29:21.419000

Debrah

elmlang

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<@Delmy> I like your example as well. Thanks for your appreciation. We should probably start an online book with parsing examples. I think a lot of people would benefit from it

2019-01-01T08:35:26.420000

Marcelino

elmlang

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Is there any reason why you cannot use `Html.Attributes.property` (or `VirtualDom.property`) to set an element's `innerHTML` value in 0.19?

2019-01-01T22:18:55.423500

Norris

elmlang

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When I ported our 0.18 code to 0.19, that line stopped working

2019-01-01T22:19:23.424100

Norris

elmlang

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I can set a different attribute, e.g. if I change `property "innerHTML" (Json.Encode.string stringVal)` to `property "innerText" (Json.Encode.string stringVal)`, it will work

2019-01-01T22:20:08.424800

Norris

elmlang

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`innerHtml` is specifically forbidden in source: VirtualDom.elm - <https://github.com/elm/virtual-dom/blob/5a5bcf48720bc7d53461b3cd42a9f19f119c5503/src/VirtualDom.elm#L167> kernel code - <https://github.com/elm/virtual-dom/blob/5a5bcf48720bc7d53461b3cd42a9f19f119c5503/src/Elm/Kernel/VirtualDom.js#L289>

2019-01-01T22:26:59.425600

Howard

elmlang

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Yeah just noticed that by looking at my compiled `.js` file

2019-01-01T22:28:05.426000

Norris

elmlang

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I really don't appreciate these unannounced breaking changes

2019-01-01T22:28:20.426400

Norris

elmlang

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So how is one supposed to insert characters like `&amp;nbsp;` into their HTML now?

2019-01-01T22:29:28.427300

Norris

elmlang

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Or any special chars for that matter

2019-01-01T22:29:37.427500

Norris

elmlang

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Type the actual character

2019-01-01T22:32:14.428700

Earlean

elmlang

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you can use Elm unicode escapes, for example `"\u{00A0}"` for non-breaking space (but granted this isn't as simple as using html escapes)

2019-01-01T22:32:21.429000

Howard

elmlang

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So just use `text`?

2019-01-01T22:32:26.429200

Norris

elmlang

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Yep

2019-01-01T22:32:45.429500

Earlean

elmlang

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so `text "&amp;nbsp;"` will display as a space?

2019-01-01T22:33:16.430400

Norris

elmlang

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Nope

2019-01-01T22:33:34.430700

Earlean

elmlang

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Figured it wouldn't

2019-01-01T22:33:47.431300

Norris

elmlang

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We display user values that are stored as HTML codes in our database

2019-01-01T22:34:12.432500

Norris

elmlang

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`text "\u{00A0}"` will

2019-01-01T22:34:29.432900

Earlean

elmlang

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silly characters like :spades:

2019-01-01T22:34:44.433600

Norris

elmlang

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`♠`

2019-01-01T22:34:52.434000

Norris

elmlang

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You'll need to do the html entity decoding yourself

2019-01-01T22:35:10.434700

Earlean

elmlang

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<https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/marcosh/elm-html-to-unicode/latest/> is a package that does this

2019-01-01T22:36:42.435500

Earlean

elmlang

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So in my database I have a `&amp;#8902` which looks like `⋆` when passed into `innerHTML`

2019-01-01T22:48:46.436300

Norris

elmlang

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if I `escape` that database value using that package, I get `&amp;amp;#8902`

2019-01-01T22:49:20.436700

Norris

elmlang

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That doesn't quite seem to solve my problem

2019-01-01T22:49:58.437000

Norris

elmlang

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Problem is that in this case I have to turn `&amp;#8902` into `\u{22C6}`

2019-01-01T22:53:42.437800

Norris

elmlang

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<https://www.toptal.com/designers/htmlarrows/math/star-operator/>

2019-01-01T22:53:49.438000

Norris

elmlang

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ah, looks like the issue is that the semicolon is missing

2019-01-01T22:57:07.438500

Norris

elmlang

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`unescape "&amp;#8902;"` works, whereas just `&amp;#8902` does not

2019-01-01T22:57:25.439000

Norris

elmlang

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does anyone use elm19 with emacs elm-mode? looks like it's rather written fro 18, but maybe there's a recipe to configure it for 19?

2019-01-02T06:37:09.441000

Earnestine

elmlang

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<@Earnestine> the elm IDE support is apparently a bit wonky. <https://github.com/jcollard/elm-mode/issues/152>

2019-01-02T06:38:45.441500

Niesha

elmlang

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ui

2019-01-02T06:45:03.441700

Earnestine

elmlang

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another one: does anybody know why this library (for elm 18) does not show up it's exposed modules/readme.md in here?: <https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/thought2/elm-wikimedia-commons/1.1.0>

2019-01-02T06:47:56.443100

Earnestine

elmlang

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The <http://package.elm-lang.org|package.elm-lang.org> doesn't properly display newly published 0.18 packages.

2019-01-02T07:08:40.443200

Earlean

elmlang

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ui ui

2019-01-02T07:52:29.443400

Earnestine

elmlang

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any recommendations for an elm (18) documentation generator (html)?

2019-01-02T08:26:55.444100

Earnestine

elmlang

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For your own application? <https://github.com/ento/elm-doc> at versions &lt; 1.0 works for Elm 0.18

2019-01-02T08:29:20.444800

Jin

elmlang

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mhh, then we have have python as a build dependency... I'd prefer something that's in npm, I tried some of them, they are not really working...

2019-01-02T09:10:22.445100

Earnestine

elmlang

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This is off topic, but can anyone recommend a JS linter thats not as opinionated as standard? I want whitespace and syntax checking, but I care more about consistency when it comes to `function()` and semi colons etc.

2019-01-02T09:21:24.446300

Agustin

elmlang

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(We have serverside JS code and Ruby/Elixir code, haven’t yet convinced client to switch to Elm :()

2019-01-02T09:22:13.447000

Agustin

elmlang

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Prettier is pretty good for formatting

2019-01-02T09:30:03.447900

Kris

elmlang

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I find `eslint` satisfactory, but you’ll have to tweak the settings I reckon

2019-01-02T09:36:31.448700

Meridith

elmlang

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I'm late to the party but south american countries like Brazil (where i'm from) also have very low % of english speakers, and a high number of software developers. I jumped in the forum :slightly_smiling_face:

2019-01-02T09:51:52.449100

Sherri

elmlang

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<@Leoma> sorry i just saw this, that would be doable with this package. I could probably create some functions that exposes all that functionality

2019-01-02T15:52:25.452500

Michelle

elmlang

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Hi, is there any good stream library for 0.19?

2019-01-02T16:04:50.453400

Saul

elmlang

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stream of what?

2019-01-02T16:12:09.453600

Virgie

elmlang

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an updated version of this: <https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/naddeoa/stream/latest>

2019-01-02T16:14:20.454500

Saul

elmlang

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maybe <https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/the-sett/lazy-list/latest/Seq>

2019-01-02T16:16:55.454700

Virgie

elmlang

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nice thanks

2019-01-02T16:37:01.454900

Saul

elmlang

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I am looking at the documentation for Random (<https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/elm/random/latest/Random>); and see that the signature for `generate` is `generate : (a -&gt; msg) -&gt; Generator a -&gt; Cmd msg`; is there a name for the (a -&gt; msg) part? Asking because I want to pass my random function a `(a -&gt; msg)`

2019-01-02T17:20:48.456300

Su

elmlang

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it is often a (partially applied) constructor of your `Msg` type

2019-01-02T17:22:59.456700

Virgie

elmlang

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so if `Msg = Thing1 Int Int | Thing2 String` then `Thing1 42` and `Thing2` are both values of type `something -&gt; Msg`

2019-01-02T17:23:49.457600

Virgie

elmlang

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and `Thing1` and `Thing2` are the constructors of `Msg`

2019-01-02T17:24:00.457900

Virgie

elmlang

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Ah, ok, thanks! Constructor makes sense. This makes the signature of the function I am working on look like: ``` generatePassword : (String -&gt; Msg) -&gt; Cmd Msg generatePassword msgConstructor = ```

2019-01-02T17:25:35.459100

Su

elmlang

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Hello all! Any suggestion on naming messages? (I'm mostly having issues naming msgs for HTTP command)

2019-01-02T17:27:30.460000

Earleen

elmlang

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in that context I think I would go for `toMsg`, but your name would be unremarkable (which is good!)

2019-01-02T17:28:06.460700

Virgie

elmlang

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<@Earleen> generally, go for "thing has happened" rather than "make thing happen"

2019-01-02T17:29:32.461300

Virgie

elmlang

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for instance <https://github.com/rtfeldman/elm-spa-example/blob/master/src/Main.elm#L110>

2019-01-02T17:29:52.461600

Virgie

elmlang

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<@Su> note that you don’t need to make that Msg concrete, you can keep it a type variable to get a more generic function

2019-01-02T17:35:30.463000

Kris