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https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3734&end=3739 | to discredit King and destabilize the movement, | english | 3,734.8 | 3,738.84 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3738&end=3743 | but also a whole series of pretty outrageous secret | english | 3,738.84 | 3,742.76 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3742&end=3750 | activities, including wiretapping King's home and office phones, | english | 3,742.76 | 3,749.36 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3749&end=3755 | planting bugs in his hotel rooms to record his sex life, | english | 3,749.36 | 3,754.12 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3754&end=3758 | sending those recordings to King along with | english | 3,754.12 | 3,757.76 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3757&end=3762 | anonymous threatening notes, and deploying | english | 3,757.76 | 3,761.56 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3764&end=3769 | but against a wide variety of figures on the left, | english | 3,764.22 | 3,768.78 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3768&end=3774 | as well as to some degree on the right as well. | english | 3,768.78 | 3,773.26 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3773&end=3779 | Probably the most famous of those programs in the 1960s | english | 3,773.26 | 3,778.04 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3785&end=3790 | at the Communist Party, expanded over the course of the 1960s | english | 3,785 | 3,789.8 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3789&end=3794 | to become a program of surveillance and disruption | english | 3,789.8 | 3,793.76 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3793&end=3798 | aimed at nearly every organization on the left, | english | 3,793.76 | 3,797.4 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3802&end=3806 | It was a program that involved not only surveillance, | english | 3,802.48 | 3,805.76 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3805&end=3811 | wiretapping, et cetera, but active, disruptive techniques, | english | 3,805.76 | 3,810.24 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3815&end=3820 | working with local police to set up activists | english | 3,815.58 | 3,819.76 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3825&end=3829 | was aimed at the politics of the left, | english | 3,825.28 | 3,828.34 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3831&end=3835 | against the Ku Klux Klan, against neo-Nazi organizations, | english | 3,831.32 | 3,835 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3835&end=3840 | white supremacist organizations in the 1960s. | english | 3,835 | 3,839.44 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3839&end=3844 | So I think even in this period, | english | 3,839.44 | 3,843.52 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3843&end=3847 | Hoover has a more complicated story | english | 3,843.52 | 3,846.56 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3846&end=3852 | than is often portrayed in the public discourse, | english | 3,846.56 | 3,851.38 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3851&end=3856 | although the basic thrust of COINTELPRO | english | 3,851.38 | 3,855.24 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3855&end=3861 | as a pretty destructive, outrageous, and illegal program | english | 3,855.24 | 3,860.72 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3860&end=3864 | that had a dramatic effect on the civil rights | english | 3,860.72 | 3,863.92 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3863&end=3868 | movement in particular, but the new left more broadly, | english | 3,863.92 | 3,867.18 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3870&end=3875 | And then we end up back here in 1972 | english | 3,870.18 | 3,874.98 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3876&end=3881 | As I said, he sort of died with his boots on | english | 3,876.6 | 3,880.46 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3880&end=3885 | as FBI director in May of 1972. | english | 3,880.46 | 3,885 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3887&end=3893 | there was a lot of celebration among those who hated him. | english | 3,887.98 | 3,892.98 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3896&end=3901 | a reflection on the fact that whatever you thought | english | 3,896.46 | 3,900.26 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3906&end=3912 | of the 20th century, a central figure in the politics of Washington over that | english | 3,906.12 | 3,912 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3912&end=3919 | time period, and as Richard Nixon said in his eulogy for Hoover, one of the giants | english | 3,912 | 3,918.96 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3918&end=3927 | of American history. And so my goal in writing this book was to sort of take him from | english | 3,918.96 | 3,926.76 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3926&end=3931 | what I think he had become in the 21st century, which is sort of a | english | 3,926.76 | 3,931 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3931&end=3940 | one-dimensional caricature, and bring him back into the center of this politics | english | 3,931 | 3,939.36 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3939&end=3946 | where he had his hands in so much, but where he wasn't just acting on his own. | english | 3,939.36 | 3,945.84 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3945&end=3950 | He was acting in concert with many figures in the White House, | english | 3,945.84 | 3,949.56 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3949&end=3956 | with many figures in Congress, and was an enormously popular | english | 3,949.56 | 3,955.44 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3955&end=3961 | and influential public servant, for better or for worse. | english | 3,955.44 | 3,960.2 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3961&end=3966 | I'm happy to take questions in whatever form | english | 3,961.8 | 3,965.56 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3968&end=3974 | Well, first of all, thank you. | english | 3,968.44 | 3,973.8 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3973&end=3978 | Wonderful talk on a great subject. | english | 3,973.8 | 3,977.8 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3977&end=3982 | I just finished rereading 1984. | english | 3,977.8 | 3,981.36 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3981&end=3985 | COINTELPRO, by the way, is a great new speak word. | english | 3,981.36 | 3,984.36 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3988&end=3993 | And of course, Orwell is preoccupied with the idea | english | 3,988.76 | 3,992.6 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3992&end=3998 | that technological advancements would be developed and employed | english | 3,992.6 | 3,997.24 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=3999&end=4003 | of surveillance of individual citizens, | english | 3,999.56 | 4,002.84 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4002&end=4006 | and like the telescreen in that novel. | english | 4,002.84 | 4,005.88 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4005&end=4011 | So you talked a bit about Hoover's ideas on science, | english | 4,005.88 | 4,010.88 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4016&end=4021 | what they were and how did they figure into | english | 4,016.36 | 4,020.52 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4020&end=4025 | what became his modes for surveillance | english | 4,020.52 | 4,024.56 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4024&end=4028 | and his work at the FBI? | english | 4,024.56 | 4,027.84 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4032&end=4037 | So when he became director in the 1920s, | english | 4,032.48 | 4,036.66 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4036&end=4042 | he advertised himself as one of the great expositors | english | 4,036.66 | 4,041.24 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4044&end=4048 | And scientific policing was supposed | english | 4,044.06 | 4,047.26 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4047&end=4053 | to make police more effective and, as Hoover would have | english | 4,047.26 | 4,052.28 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4052&end=4057 | described it, less brutal at the same time. | english | 4,052.28 | 4,056.28 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4056&end=4060 | So what scientific policing really meant | english | 4,056.28 | 4,059.38 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4060&end=4067 | One was harnessing a new set of social science tools that could be put | english | 4,060.96 | 4,066.84 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4066&end=4072 | to the work of law enforcement. So that was everything from new classification | english | 4,066.84 | 4,071.6 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4071&end=4079 | and filing systems to things like fingerprints, which are just coming in as | english | 4,071.6 | 4,078.2 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4078&end=4085 | a form of identification, to crime statistics, right? | english | 4,078.2 | 4,085 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4085&end=4090 | There was no, I mean, in the 1920s and early 30s, | english | 4,085.82 | 4,089.98 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4089&end=4094 | there's a lot of talk about this as a crisis | english | 4,089.98 | 4,093.22 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4093&end=4097 | in the United States, but there were no national | english | 4,093.22 | 4,096.46 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4096&end=4100 | crime statistics being gathered in any effective way. | english | 4,096.46 | 4,099.5 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4099&end=4105 | So you had perceptions of growing forms of crime, | english | 4,099.5 | 4,104.5 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4104&end=4108 | you have new things like the automobile | english | 4,104.74 | 4,107.96 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4115&end=4121 | to cross federal lines, cross state lines. | english | 4,115.8 | 4,120.44 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4123&end=4127 | that are then driving this push for crime statistics. | english | 4,123.06 | 4,126.72 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4140&end=4144 | It could be in touch with every police department | english | 4,140 | 4,143.46 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4143&end=4147 | in the country in order to collect these statistics. | english | 4,143.46 | 4,146.8 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4151&end=4156 | And then it was going to allow him to influence and define | english | 4,151.56 | 4,155.52 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4155&end=4159 | what crime was, how it was counted, | english | 4,155.52 | 4,158.56 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4166&end=4171 | and social science tools that includes the FBI Academy. | english | 4,166.1 | 4,170.52 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4176&end=4181 | So fingerprints fit over there as well a little bit. | english | 4,176.58 | 4,180.74 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4180&end=4184 | But one of his signature developments in the early 30s | english | 4,180.74 | 4,183.98 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4183&end=4189 | is the FBI Crime Lab, which is still the FBI Crime Lab | english | 4,183.98 | 4,188.24 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4190&end=4195 | its own sort of failures and scandals over the last 20 | english | 4,190.14 | 4,194.8 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4197&end=4203 | to employ a bunch of chemists and scientists who | english | 4,197.44 | 4,202.32 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4202&end=4207 | would be able to be the nation's top forensic experts | english | 4,202.32 | 4,206.56 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4210&end=4216 | The FBI could help them to figure out what was going on | english | 4,210.9 | 4,215.18 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4215&end=4219 | and they would get that information back down | english | 4,215.18 | 4,218.2 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4224&end=4228 | almost all law enforcement is done at the local level. | english | 4,224.44 | 4,227.72 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4227&end=4232 | And so, to be a federal law enforcement agency, | english | 4,227.72 | 4,231.2 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4237&end=4241 | which is that relative to the scope of the country, | english | 4,237.16 | 4,240.72 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4240&end=4245 | the FBI was tiny, and that it didn't have | english | 4,240.72 | 4,244.92 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4246&end=4255 | or it had very weird areas of jurisdiction, and that is still true today. And so he saw | english | 4,246.64 | 4,254.48 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4254&end=4260 | these not only as places of kind of scientific progress, but he also saw them as sort of | english | 4,254.48 | 4,259.84 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4259&end=4270 | strategic points of intervention, a role that the Bureau could play. And I think it's still a really important part of the FBI's image, this kind of, you | english | 4,259.84 | 4,269.52 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4269&end=4274 | know, I mean, how many television shows do we still have that are about, you know, kind | english | 4,269.52 | 4,273.32 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4273&end=4279 | of elite forensics labs that are often at the federal level that are doing the work | english | 4,273.32 | 4,278.96 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4278&end=4287 | that Hoover envisioned. Did Hoover seem to run off the rails in the 60s? | english | 4,278.96 | 4,286.76 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4286&end=4291 | And do you think that the student protests | english | 4,286.76 | 4,290.68 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4290&end=4294 | had anything to do with that? | english | 4,290.68 | 4,293.68 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4293&end=4297 | Yeah, the 60s were definitely the period in which, I think, | english | 4,293.68 | 4,297 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4299&end=4305 | was very bipartisan support and very widespread public support, | english | 4,299.8 | 4,304.76 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4305&end=4313 | And a lot of it has to do with his attitudes toward and public campaigns against student | english | 4,305.92 | 4,312.2 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4314&end=4321 | I think he took a lot of what he had done, both in terms of formal techniques and in | english | 4,314.36 | 4,320.12 |
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=4320&end=4326 | terms of publicity with the Communist Party in the 50s | english | 4,320.12 | 4,325.52 |