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{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_a885f6ec", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 0, "stop": 20.769, "text": "We will hear arguments is in 5138, Parham against Cortese." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_1540374b", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 20.769, "stop": 23.508, "text": "Mr. Scholl, you may proceed whenever you are ready." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_d91a9927", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 23.508, "stop": 24.422, "text": "Mr. Chief Justice --" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_b511a98f", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 24.422, "stop": 27.381, "text": "We will try to complete tonight, if it is all possible." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_d45973db", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 27.381, "stop": 27.78, "text": "Okay." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_be41ca24", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 27.78, "stop": 28.886, "text": "Thank you." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_b04dc4df", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 28.886, "stop": 32.079, "text": "Mr. Chief Justice and may it please the Court." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_d4278757", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 32.079, "stop": 39.315, "text": "In this case, this is another action which is a class action, brought by a group of consumers." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_30ddf8e6", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 39.315, "stop": 49.924, "text": "This is similar in effect to the Swarb action which was also class action instituted on behalf of all of the residents of the state which had been subjected to a certain procedure." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_b42d5f90", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 49.924, "stop": 58.334, "text": "For that reason, I would like to refer to the plaintiff, the appellants as the consumers although, I think that is partially a misnomer in this case." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_079e9b8f", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 58.334, "stop": 61.678, "text": "The appellees, I will refer to as the creditors again." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_57575d54", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 61.678, "stop": 65.111, "text": "Well, again it is partially a misnomer." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_16c5fdfe", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 65.111, "stop": 71.499, "text": "Well, what is in question in this case is the Pennsylvania procedure of replevin with bond." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_889ae717", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 71.499, "stop": 80.209, "text": "The Pennsylvania procedure of replevin with bond is similar in many ways to the Florida procedure which was considered in the Fuentes case." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_1cba4f90", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 80.209, "stop": 84.656, "text": "However, there are very important distinctions on Pennsylvania." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_394679e9", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 84.656, "stop": 100.183, "text": "As was pointed out in the arguments in Fuentes case, the replevin seizure in Florida is part of a proceeding which has already been commenced which will ultimately determine the rights of the parties to the particular goods which were seized." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_d3228293", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 100.183, "stop": 104.854, "text": "That is not the case in the Pennsylvania replevin with bond procedure." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_80aa7a5f", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 104.854, "stop": 112.136, "text": "All that a creditor need to file in Pennsylvania to commence the replevin with bond procedure are four things." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_032f928f", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 112.136, "stop": 120.318, "text": "One of these things as an entry of appearance, the other is an affidavit of what the value of the goods are, then he is going to go out and have seized." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_f0845124", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 120.318, "stop": 136.392, "text": "The third thing is a bond and the bond must be in double the value of the goods that are being seized and the fourth thing is merely a praecipe to that which is directly to the prothonotary, asking or ordering the prothonotary to issue a writ of replevin at bond." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_30068ea7", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 136.392, "stop": 139.972, "text": "Now, what need to be included in such a praecipe?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_045c567a", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 139.972, "stop": 148.225, "text": "Well, really nothing, except that it is just the direction, a form just as a direction to the prothonotary to issue the writ of replevin?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_edce0f96", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 148.225, "stop": 152.789, "text": "prothonotary as I had mentioned in the Swarb case, this morning is merely a court clerk." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_9f3c82bd", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 152.789, "stop": 159.441, "text": "All that the court clerk does is to examine to see whether in fact the four pieces of paper that have to be filed have been filed." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_5120d207", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 159.441, "stop": 171.589, "text": "And if they have, he then ministerially issues the writ of replevin with bond to the sheriff and the sheriff is required to go out and forcibly seize the property from the consumer." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_19a47353", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 171.589, "stop": 190.768, "text": "Now, this is the distinction in the Pennsylvania procedure, not only from the Florida procedure which was considered in Fuentes but also, even the procedures in New York which was the subject of the Laprease versus Raymours Furniture case and in California which was the subject to the Blair versus Pitchess case." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_0eb296ec", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 190.768, "stop": 198.542, "text": "Both of these cases held that the procedures involved there were unconstitutional." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_43db1e56", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 198.542, "stop": 218.37, "text": "Another important feature of the Pennsylvania procedure which is probably distinct from Florida because it is not actually the beginning of an on-going process which is going to determine the party’s rights to the goods, is that for all practical purposes when the seizure is made by the sheriff, that is the end of the proceeding." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_6d93461d", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 218.37, "stop": 220.133, "text": "Usually, nothing further is filed." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_d3251a54", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 220.133, "stop": 228.173, "text": "Now there are three possible ways in which the consumer can possibly get that property back, and these three only." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_ce40340f", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 228.173, "stop": 235.981, "text": "The first is he can file the counter-bond within 72 hours of the seizure of the property." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_93b50008", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 235.981, "stop": 237.898, "text": "What is he advised?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_b285fe5d", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 237.898, "stop": 239.976, "text": "Well, he is never advised of it." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_e88aa278", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 239.976, "stop": 243.598, "text": "In fact, in the Pennsylvania rules of civil procedure, there is a form set out." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_a3564fc8", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 243.598, "stop": 248.547, "text": "It is Rule 1354 and it is included in the appendix." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_058824d8", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 248.547, "stop": 260.8, "text": "I believe it is included in our appendix, appendix A to our brief, and the form has nothing in it which states that the consumer can file a counter bond to recover the property." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_330ce682", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 260.8, "stop": 265.892, "text": "So that this part of the Pennsylvania procedure is apparent first to be identical with that in Florida?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_6c1a4828", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 265.892, "stop": 266.164, "text": "Yes." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_83a663a8", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 266.164, "stop": 266.451, "text": "I think it is." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_61570dc8", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 266.451, "stop": 267.882, "text": "72 hours?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_54352fd5", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 267.882, "stop": 269.243, "text": "Double the amount." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_b137ef17", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 269.243, "stop": 272.902, "text": "I believe, bond double the amount of value property and no notice?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_e136c233", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 272.902, "stop": 273.896, "text": "That is right!" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_50f6fac1", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 273.896, "stop": 274.569, "text": "Is that it?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_df1d6ef2", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 274.569, "stop": 276.846, "text": "That is right." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_6790c7a7", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 276.846, "stop": 282.62, "text": "There are two other ways that the consumer could possibly get the property back eventually." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_5cc04c36", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 282.62, "stop": 291.345, "text": "The one is that, he could file a praecipe with the court which would require the creditor to commence an action to finally determine the rights of the goods." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_70728c4e", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 291.345, "stop": 299.708, "text": "Of course in the intervening time until that complaint is filed and until it comes to a hearing, the consumer is going to be deprived of the goods." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_cc672b68", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 299.708, "stop": 308.088, "text": "The only other possible way that the consumer could get the goods back would be to commence an actual of replevin with bond themselves and get the goods back from the creditor." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_99195185", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 308.088, "stop": 313.891, "text": "Of course, this is also going to require them to put up the bond." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_612bd98a", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 313.891, "stop": 317.529, "text": "You said that the prothonotary –- how do you pronounce this?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_a7f718d5", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 317.529, "stop": 319.027, "text": "It is prothonotary." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_eedd9a01", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 319.027, "stop": 319.228, "text": "prothonotary." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_302a23fa", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 319.228, "stop": 320.913, "text": "So you can refer to him as the clerk." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_7bc64787", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 320.913, "stop": 322.785, "text": "Right![Laughter]" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_0847f024", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 322.785, "stop": 325.873, "text": "It is nothing more than less than a clerk of the court?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_97103111", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 325.873, "stop": 325.936, "text": "Exactly." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_91e6aec3", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 325.936, "stop": 328.31, "text": "Well, does that imply that this if filed in a court?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_a3343b5d", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 328.31, "stop": 334.421, "text": "It is filed with the prothonotary with the court clerk and to that extent; it is filed in a court." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_fa15e6e2", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 334.421, "stop": 338.657, "text": "In a court, just as anything filed in this Court, is filed with our clerk, is it not?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_3a17f4e0", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 338.657, "stop": 339.086, "text": "That is right, Of course --" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_c1f66c98", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 339.086, "stop": 343.346, "text": "We do not call him by that title probably because we cannot pronounce it." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_fece4f0b", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 343.346, "stop": 352.847, "text": "[Laughter]Of course, it never goes before a judge, at any point and the replevin with bond procedure of and so well, it may never go to a judge." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_524328a1", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 352.847, "stop": 354.936, "text": "In fact, this probably never will." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_8f1381f0", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 354.936, "stop": 355.821, "text": "But certainly not --" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_78db75c1", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 355.821, "stop": 357.791, "text": "(Inaudible)" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_f473e463", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 357.791, "stop": 367.711, "text": "The only way he possibly could is if the consumer does something, files a praecipe and makes the creditor file a complaint, then that complaint will eventually get –-" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_70bb9333", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 367.711, "stop": 371.911, "text": "Well what happens if the consumer filed this double bond?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_75828b73", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 371.911, "stop": 372.149, "text": "Well he --" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_8924df19", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 372.149, "stop": 374.213, "text": "And get the property back, then what happens?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_c422b4af", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 374.213, "stop": 377.409, "text": "Well, then the creditor, it is the creditor’s move so to speak." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_ca79779f", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 377.409, "stop": 380.249, "text": "The creditor is going to have to do something to get --" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_9f4d52ba", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 380.249, "stop": 381.906, "text": "And what something?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_2627ae76", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 381.906, "stop": 386.973, "text": "Well, you probably would follow it up by planning an action." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_7f3f232f", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 386.973, "stop": 391.875, "text": "You file a complaint at that point because then, he would have to get the rights to the goods determined before --" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_5bc2946b", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 391.875, "stop": 394.016, "text": "That thing would get you before a judge?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_c6d61e02", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 394.016, "stop": 395.534, "text": "Yes, that would get you before a judge." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_113dc303", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 395.534, "stop": 401.829, "text": "So if the consumer cannot come up with the counter bond, the creditor is going to have to go before a judge, to get that property." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_641dd162", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 401.829, "stop": 410.977, "text": "But I think the problem is with the counter bond proceeding, especially when one considers the appellants in this record, we have two welfare recipients." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_55593aaa", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 410.977, "stop": 413.253, "text": "We have the Parhams and the Washington." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_de7fc819", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 413.253, "stop": 417.076, "text": "Mrs. Washington, both of them are welfare recipients." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_2abbbcba", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 417.076, "stop": 422.541, "text": "They are required to come up with the counter bond within 72 hours or they are not going to get the property back." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_4241cbac", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 422.541, "stop": 426.269, "text": "Yes, I think that they have three alternatives as I understood." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_420f1297", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 426.269, "stop": 429.213, "text": "One is to come up with the counter bond within 72 hours." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_70a45faf", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 429.213, "stop": 429.383, "text": "That is right." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_c0cbda95", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 429.383, "stop": 431.948, "text": "So they can get back to the property." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_1533665b", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 431.948, "stop": 432.033, "text": "Then they will get the property back." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_82c7af9c", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 432.033, "stop": 434.349, "text": "There is another occasion for controversy." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_82509698", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 434.349, "stop": 437.172, "text": "And the other was to file a praecipe?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_2827c741", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 437.172, "stop": 441.795, "text": "Yes, but the trouble with the praecipe proceeding is that they will not get the property back when they filed the praecipe." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_b00a2000", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 441.795, "stop": 444.816, "text": "The praecipe compels the plaintiff to file a complaint, is that it?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_a8a77fde", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 444.816, "stop": 445.241, "text": "Right." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_2db4d92f", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 445.241, "stop": 450.383, "text": "If you file a praecipe, then you are back to where Fuentes case is, you are back with where the Florida proceeding." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_f88dc190", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 450.383, "stop": 452.555, "text": "Where the Florida proceeding begins?" }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_6538e177", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 452.555, "stop": 453.113, "text": "Right." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_e49fb87b", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 453.113, "stop": 454.269, "text": "Exactly." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_6e118128", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 454.269, "stop": 457.572, "text": "But I mean, you cannot always do that as of right by filing a praecipe." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_c9e96484", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 457.572, "stop": 458.765, "text": "That is right." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_49fb3dbb", "speaker_id": -1, "start": 458.765, "stop": 460.288, "text": "And without filing any bond." }

{ "case_id": "50608_20034", "segment_id": "50608_20034_9f1d0c53", "speaker_id": 21563, "start": 460.288, "stop": 460.414, "text": "Yes." }