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[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 11.92 ], "text": " I was going to the tunnel and limelight and all these clubs in New York and just living, you know, living a crazy life for, you know, for that time and that age, relatively speaking." }, { "timestamp": [ 12.24, 15.46 ], "text": " And and it just progressively got bigger and bigger." }, { "timestamp": [ 15.46, 25.38 ], "text": " So I'm saying all this because this is how RK wound up getting started, was that this was before they had high speed in hotels." }, { "timestamp": [ 25.38, 27 ], "text": " Right. This was before Wi-Fi." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 13.28 ], "text": " This was when you were plugging in directly just after 56K and they had 10BaseT where you're plugging the Ethernet right into the laptop, right?" }, { "timestamp": [ 13.62, 13.86 ], "text": " Yep." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 16.72 ], "text": " I would go to hotels in New York that just got high-speed internet, like the Soho Grand, the Ritz, the fanciest hotels." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 12.78 ], "text": " Yeah. Right. And I would rent a room for 300, 400 bucks and I would hook up a bunch of laptops and I would just start spamming for porno, Viagra, anything like Photoshop." }, { "timestamp": [ 13.24, 17.64 ], "text": " Like, yeah. And then what would happen is eventually they would kick me out." }, { "timestamp": [ 17.7, 21.24 ], "text": " Like I would live there for like three or four days. I would live in a suite. I'd order room service." }, { "timestamp": [ 21.3, 27.04 ], "text": " I'd have all my friends. We'd party. We'd have girls. We just party and spam." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 4.92 ], "text": " and I'd be sitting there just watching the money, you know, pile up, pile up, pile up, pile up." }, { "timestamp": [ 5.46, 11.6 ], "text": " And then I ran out of hotel rooms in New York because they blackballed me, right? There were" }, { "timestamp": [ 11.6, 16.06 ], "text": " only, let's say, four or five in New York that had high-speed internet at the time because it" }, { "timestamp": [ 16.06, 21.86 ], "text": " was brand new, man. It was brand new. What year? Give us a timeline. What year is this? Like 97-ish," } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 1 ], "text": " 98?" }, { "timestamp": [ 1, 3 ], "text": " Yeah, exactly." }, { "timestamp": [ 3, 5.78 ], "text": " Yeah, that's exactly right." }, { "timestamp": [ 5.78, 8.24 ], "text": " It was 97." }, { "timestamp": [ 8.24, 13.92 ], "text": " And so I thought to myself, I said, okay, I'm banned from all of the hotels in New York" }, { "timestamp": [ 13.92, 17.86 ], "text": " City that have high speed internet." }, { "timestamp": [ 17.86, 24.98 ], "text": " Where is there a high concentration of luxury hotels that have high speed internet?" }, { "timestamp": [ 24.98, 26.98 ], "text": " Where is that?" }, { "timestamp": [ 26.98, 28.18 ], "text": " Las Vegas, right?" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 5.64 ], "text": " So my best friend, my doubles partner, Mike Ember, was on his full ride at UNLV, balling out." }, { "timestamp": [ 6.48, 13.48 ], "text": " He, I don't know if he wants me to say this, but he was running a call service out there." }, { "timestamp": [ 13.84, 13.92 ], "text": " All right." }, { "timestamp": [ 14.04, 14.42 ], "text": " So he was." }, { "timestamp": [ 15.08, 16.2 ], "text": " You said it now." }, { "timestamp": [ 16.76, 18.48 ], "text": " Yeah, he was legit." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.68, 21.02 ], "text": " He was running a call service." }, { "timestamp": [ 21.94, 25.62 ], "text": " He was a, you know, he was a entrepreneurial young guy." }, { "timestamp": [ 25.62, 27.46 ], "text": " We were 19, 20, 21 years old." }, { "timestamp": [ 27.82, 28.96 ], "text": " He was running a call service." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 10.8 ], "text": " And I flew out to Vegas with a couple of kids I went to college with to go spam out of the Four Seasons, which is the top floors of the Mandalay Bay." }, { "timestamp": [ 11.02, 19 ], "text": " Right. So I rented I rented I rented a really fancy suite at the Four Seasons." }, { "timestamp": [ 19.44, 27.6 ], "text": " And Mike showed up with a couple of the girls that were in his call service, really cute girls, young, 18, 19 years old." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 5.96 ], "text": " and um and mike i remember it like it was yesterday man we're sitting there in the" }, { "timestamp": [ 5.96, 11.24 ], "text": " four season suite it had two bedrooms it had three bathrooms it had a bar it was a really" }, { "timestamp": [ 11.24, 17.38 ], "text": " sick room suite and kimbo was there right so kimbo slice i don't know if you guys know kimbo" }, { "timestamp": [ 17.38, 26.2 ], "text": " um uh we so kimbo went to palmetto with mike okay and and they had an amazing they had a pretty" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 5.72 ], "text": " amazing. Oh, Chris Presley went there. Now that I think about it, Chris Presley, you could ask him" }, { "timestamp": [ 5.72, 13.44 ], "text": " about it. Chris Presley knows Mike for sure. And Kimbo Kimbo was, was, was at Palmetto. And so was" }, { "timestamp": [ 13.44, 19.74 ], "text": " one of the Marley Rohan Marley, who played for the hurricanes later, was also at Palmetto that time." }, { "timestamp": [ 20.44, 27.6 ], "text": " So, so Mike showed up with these girls to the suite at the four seasons and Kimbo was there." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 3.5 ], "text": " Ferg was Ferguson, was manning the door." }, { "timestamp": [ 3.66, 6.9 ], "text": " He ran kind of security for Mike's call service." }, { "timestamp": [ 7.96, 15.62 ], "text": " And the scene was me, Mike, Kimbo, two of my buddies from college that were working for me at this time." }, { "timestamp": [ 16.3, 18.22 ], "text": " They're blowing rails off of the table." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.32, 19.7 ], "text": " We're all fucked up on Molly." }, { "timestamp": [ 19.86, 21.86 ], "text": " There's two hoes running around the room naked." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 6.9 ], "text": " and I had all the laptops set up blasting out spam for porno and for poker." }, { "timestamp": [ 7.06, 8.5 ], "text": " Party poker was getting popular." }, { "timestamp": [ 8.64, 8.78 ], "text": " I forget." }, { "timestamp": [ 8.88, 10.16 ], "text": " There was poker going on, I remember." }, { "timestamp": [ 11.1, 12.46 ], "text": " And Mike turns to me." }, { "timestamp": [ 12.54, 17.96 ], "text": " He looks at the laptops and he looks at me and then he looks at the girls" }, { "timestamp": [ 17.96, 20.94 ], "text": " and he looks at me again and he goes, Greg," }, { "timestamp": [ 20.94, 25.66 ], "text": " what do we got to do to take my girls and put them on your computers" }, { "timestamp": [ 25.66, 27.16 ], "text": " and sell it on the Internet?" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 6.76 ], "text": " And I was like, we only need a camera because I have everything else." }, { "timestamp": [ 6.86, 8.86 ], "text": " I have the ability to encode the video." }, { "timestamp": [ 10.12, 11.4 ], "text": " You got the girls." }, { "timestamp": [ 12.18, 15.96 ], "text": " I got the computer knowledge and power to distribute it." }, { "timestamp": [ 16.02, 17.9 ], "text": " I had really huge pipes at the time." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.62, 23.44 ], "text": " So I was kind of unique in that Columbia University was the second." }, { "timestamp": [ 24.78, 27.44 ], "text": " We had, man, we were given as freshmen," } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 5.32 ], "text": " we were given internet lines that would cost $20,000 in the open marketplace because of the" }, { "timestamp": [ 5.32, 10.48 ], "text": " connection to Wall Street. So Columbia was such a feed to Wall Street. In our dorm rooms, we were" }, { "timestamp": [ 10.48, 16.02 ], "text": " given T3s, which would cost at that time $20,000 a month. So I'm sitting there with this pipe," }, { "timestamp": [ 16.08, 25.04 ], "text": " right? And I had it throughout. That was the start of Icy Porn, Greg May. Icy Porn was the" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 4.7 ], "text": " first iteration let me actually you know let me stop you for a second greg by the way this is a" }, { "timestamp": [ 4.7, 10.28 ], "text": " lot more interesting than the boys 14's draw sheets online draft so let's keep going here we go" }, { "timestamp": [ 10.28, 21.22 ], "text": " all right go ahead yeah man so um yeah so so i told mike i said dude i said all we need is a camera" }, { "timestamp": [ 21.22, 26.9 ], "text": " right and this was right when the paris hilton tape came out the paris remember that green you" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 4.38 ], "text": " guys remember the infrared green shit when she was sucking that guy's dick and it was it was really" }, { "timestamp": [ 4.38, 9.78 ], "text": " lame but it was Paris Hilton so it was like wow look at her it's it's green and she's kind of" }, { "timestamp": [ 9.78, 16.98 ], "text": " giving him a blowjob or whatever so we went we bought that same camera we went to Best Buy in" }, { "timestamp": [ 16.98, 26.96 ], "text": " Vegas I remember I I rented a white Cadillac DeVille and me Mike Kimbo and my two buddies that" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 6.96 ], "text": " from college the five of us piled into this white cadillac de vil we drove out to best buy" }, { "timestamp": [ 11.84, 21.2 ], "text": " so we bought we bought that camera and mike had no clue mike had no clue uh how to how to use a" }, { "timestamp": [ 21.2, 26.4 ], "text": " camera really because this is before camera phones obviously and like the big dhs he was never into" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 2.92 ], "text": " So we bought that green infrared camera." }, { "timestamp": [ 3.12, 5.78 ], "text": " We go back to the Four Seasons, right?" }, { "timestamp": [ 5.82, 7.2 ], "text": " We're walking down the hallway." }, { "timestamp": [ 7.36, 9.64 ], "text": " We're walking down the hallway, the five of us across." }, { "timestamp": [ 10.2, 13.06 ], "text": " And who comes the other way walking down the hallway?" }, { "timestamp": [ 13.64, 16.28 ], "text": " Howie Long, the NFL announcer guy, right?" }, { "timestamp": [ 16.78, 19.38 ], "text": " So I'm like, hey, Howie, what's up, dude?" }, { "timestamp": [ 19.7, 21.32 ], "text": " He was in the suite next to us." }, { "timestamp": [ 21.34, 23 ], "text": " He had like the baller presidential suite." }, { "timestamp": [ 23.08, 24.34 ], "text": " We had like the junior presidential." }, { "timestamp": [ 24.48, 24.66 ], "text": " Right." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 7.48 ], "text": " So, so Howie, he looked at me and he looked at the rest of us and he just shook his head. He's" }, { "timestamp": [ 7.48, 11.9 ], "text": " like, I don't know what the fuck you kids are about to do, but I want no part of it. I'm out." }, { "timestamp": [ 11.98, 15.66 ], "text": " He didn't say anything. He just walked right through us, literally walked right through us." }, { "timestamp": [ 16.02, 22.16 ], "text": " And so we went back in the room and Mike was like, okay, I think I got the camera figured out." }, { "timestamp": [ 22.92, 29.3 ], "text": " You know, who's going to fuck these girls, right? And I was like, I was like, I'll do it." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 2.8 ], "text": " Nate, your boy, Greg, Newt, right here." }, { "timestamp": [ 2.88, 3.22 ], "text": " What's up?" }, { "timestamp": [ 4.4, 10.16 ], "text": " So we went into the master suite, and Mike's filming it," }, { "timestamp": [ 10.2, 13.94 ], "text": " and it's me naked running around the room with these two girls." }, { "timestamp": [ 15, 18.56 ], "text": " And you know what's funny is I ran into one of those girls not long ago," }, { "timestamp": [ 18.56, 21.5 ], "text": " like as adults, and she recognized me." }, { "timestamp": [ 21.6, 21.98 ], "text": " Wow." }, { "timestamp": [ 22.1, 23.6 ], "text": " I was like, holy shit." }, { "timestamp": [ 23.7, 24.56 ], "text": " Yeah, it was crazy." }, { "timestamp": [ 24.92, 29.12 ], "text": " I was like, do you know what has happened, what has transpired since that night?" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 1.78 ], "text": " And she's like, yeah, dude." }, { "timestamp": [ 1.84, 3.5 ], "text": " I was like, that was us." }, { "timestamp": [ 3.56, 4.46 ], "text": " We did that." }, { "timestamp": [ 4.46, 4.86 ], "text": " Wow." }, { "timestamp": [ 5.04, 9.6 ], "text": " You know, we kind of lit that fire there." }, { "timestamp": [ 9.98, 11.18 ], "text": " And Bobby Curtis." }, { "timestamp": [ 12.06, 13.12 ], "text": " Oh, Bobby." }, { "timestamp": [ 13.68, 14.42 ], "text": " Shit, man." }, { "timestamp": [ 14.48, 15.18 ], "text": " He was the best." }, { "timestamp": [ 15.26, 15.9 ], "text": " I love Bobby." }, { "timestamp": [ 16.48, 17.14 ], "text": " That's hilarious." }, { "timestamp": [ 17.9, 18.98 ], "text": " So, yeah." }, { "timestamp": [ 19.34, 23.44 ], "text": " So that's how it all started." }, { "timestamp": [ 23.56, 29.3 ], "text": " I mean, I don't know if you guys want to hear more about it, but that night was the first night." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 6.68 ], "text": " That was the first night that Mike and I had ever produced any porn-related content." }, { "timestamp": [ 6.84, 8.28 ], "text": " You see Rob's comment?" }, { "timestamp": [ 8.7, 14.02 ], "text": " So, Rob, oh, you know what's funny, dude?" }, { "timestamp": [ 14.4, 16.06 ], "text": " Mike is such a pack rat." }, { "timestamp": [ 16.2, 18.1 ], "text": " I know he still has that tape." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.7, 20.4 ], "text": " My boy still has that tape." }, { "timestamp": [ 20.5, 20.88 ], "text": " All right." }, { "timestamp": [ 21.9, 22.46 ], "text": " Unbelievable." }, { "timestamp": [ 22.74, 25.76 ], "text": " Well, I mean, here's a good question for you." }, { "timestamp": [ 25.9, 27.52 ], "text": " You got to answer this question." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 8.16 ], "text": " Well, we keep going with this story, but which Florida tennis girls would you like to star in a porno?" }, { "timestamp": [ 9.64, 10.62 ], "text": " Oh, jeez." }, { "timestamp": [ 10.62, 12.72 ], "text": " I mean, you've got to answer that one." }, { "timestamp": [ 13.08, 17.6 ], "text": " Give me two or three Florida tennis girls you want in one of your productions." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.36, 20.6 ], "text": " Get us that tape, he said, Rob Silver." }, { "timestamp": [ 22.34, 23.72 ], "text": " You don't want that tape." }, { "timestamp": [ 24.2, 25.64 ], "text": " Not very impressive, Rob." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 4.72 ], "text": " So, you know what?" }, { "timestamp": [ 4.78, 5.38 ], "text": " I don't remember." }, { "timestamp": [ 5.54, 7 ], "text": " Honestly, I don't remember their names." }, { "timestamp": [ 7.14, 7.68 ], "text": " It's a shame." }, { "timestamp": [ 8.26, 10.32 ], "text": " Dude, there was one girl from Port Charlotte." }, { "timestamp": [ 10.48, 11.44 ], "text": " I know where she was from." }, { "timestamp": [ 11.52, 13 ], "text": " I creeped on her so hard." }, { "timestamp": [ 13.56, 15.02 ], "text": " It's Billy Wright's sister." }, { "timestamp": [ 16.34, 17.52 ], "text": " I don't know, dude." }, { "timestamp": [ 17.9, 18.76 ], "text": " I don't know." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.86, 19.64 ], "text": " I hope not." }, { "timestamp": [ 19.94, 20.72 ], "text": " I hope not." }, { "timestamp": [ 20.8, 21.56 ], "text": " I'm sorry, Billy." }, { "timestamp": [ 21.74, 22.98 ], "text": " I don't think so, bro." }, { "timestamp": [ 23.56, 26.28 ], "text": " Who else is from Port Charlotte than Billy and Amber Wright?" }, { "timestamp": [ 26.42, 27.14 ], "text": " It's got to be." }, { "timestamp": [ 27.54, 28.88 ], "text": " Roberto, would you agree with that?" }, { "timestamp": [ 28.88, 29.22 ], "text": " I don't know." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 1.44 ], "text": " Was she cute?" }, { "timestamp": [ 1.62, 2.16 ], "text": " I don't know." }, { "timestamp": [ 2.26, 2.58 ], "text": " Oh, yeah." }, { "timestamp": [ 2.92, 3.94 ], "text": " Yeah, it was Amber Wright." }, { "timestamp": [ 3.94, 4.56 ], "text": " Maybe it was." }, { "timestamp": [ 4.68, 5.2 ], "text": " I don't know." }, { "timestamp": [ 5.34, 5.58 ], "text": " I'm sorry." }, { "timestamp": [ 5.6, 6.88 ], "text": " I didn't know she had any brother." }, { "timestamp": [ 7.12, 8.74 ], "text": " My bad." }, { "timestamp": [ 8.74, 9.66 ], "text": " I mean, everybody." }, { "timestamp": [ 10.1, 10.4 ], "text": " All right." }, { "timestamp": [ 10.5, 14.32 ], "text": " So we want Amber Wright in one of your productions." }, { "timestamp": [ 14.42, 15.12 ], "text": " Anybody else?" }, { "timestamp": [ 15.58, 17.24 ], "text": " That's a good question somebody asked." }, { "timestamp": [ 17.3, 17.94 ], "text": " That's a good one." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.72, 20.16 ], "text": " That is a good question." }, { "timestamp": [ 20.56, 21.86 ], "text": " I'm trying to think of other." }, { "timestamp": [ 23.38, 24.46 ], "text": " Oh, man." }, { "timestamp": [ 25.78, 28.68 ], "text": " I mean, I really don't remember the names." }, { "timestamp": [ 28.76, 29.24 ], "text": " I'm sorry." }, { "timestamp": [ 0.74, 2.54 ], "text": " There were a lot of cute girls, though, dude." }, { "timestamp": [ 2.54, 13.8 ], "text": " We were all – I will speak for all of us young men that we were all very fortunate to be tennis players growing up because those girls were so cute." }, { "timestamp": [ 13.84, 14.48 ], "text": " Yeah, a lot of them." }, { "timestamp": [ 14.48, 16.98 ], "text": " And I think they set us up for a lot of success." }, { "timestamp": [ 17.22, 18.68 ], "text": " I see all of you boys." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.8, 24.26 ], "text": " I see all my guys with gorgeous wives way beyond our means, all of us." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 13.62 ], "text": " So I think the groundwork was set by us being junior tennis players where we we kind of, you know, we hung around very beautiful, classy young ladies and we learned how to kind of schmooze and we learned how to be gentlemen." }, { "timestamp": [ 14.14, 18.52 ], "text": " And and so that's my my statement on that." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.6, 20.66 ], "text": " All right. Were there any moms? Here's a good question." }, { "timestamp": [ 20.76, 24.32 ], "text": " Scott, any any Florida tennis moms that would star in your porn?" }, { "timestamp": [ 25.86, 28.34 ], "text": " Dude, yeah, for sure, man." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 3.24 ], "text": " So we have Milf Hunter, you know, like Milf Hunter was our first." }, { "timestamp": [ 3.7, 5.8 ], "text": " We had that was one of our biggest sites." }, { "timestamp": [ 7.08, 7.82 ], "text": " Milf Hunter." }, { "timestamp": [ 7.96, 9.32 ], "text": " The first one was Come Fiesta." }, { "timestamp": [ 9.58, 12.78 ], "text": " So Come Fiesta, the first scene was shot on my couch in Vegas." }, { "timestamp": [ 12.92, 14.24 ], "text": " I actually moved out to Vegas." }, { "timestamp": [ 14.88, 18.9 ], "text": " OK, so the moms, there was there was Rob Silver." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.96, 20.02 ], "text": " You remember Kukis's mom?" }, { "timestamp": [ 20.58, 24.9 ], "text": " Boy, Kukis, Kukis, Kukis went to St. Andrews." }, { "timestamp": [ 24.94, 27.08 ], "text": " He was ranked like in the low 60s, 70s." }, { "timestamp": [ 27.08, 28.54 ], "text": " He never really gave a shit about winning." }, { "timestamp": [ 0.64, 1.8 ], "text": " He was such a nice kid." }, { "timestamp": [ 1.92, 3.28 ], "text": " He never really cared too much." }, { "timestamp": [ 3.98, 5.58 ], "text": " His mom was a model." }, { "timestamp": [ 5.98, 7.4 ], "text": " She was legit a model." }, { "timestamp": [ 7.9, 9.42 ], "text": " Then there was another kid" }, { "timestamp": [ 9.42, 12.32 ], "text": " from West Palm whose mom" }, { "timestamp": [ 12.32, 13.92 ], "text": " was really hot." }, { "timestamp": [ 14.78, 15.48 ], "text": " I remember" }, { "timestamp": [ 15.48, 18.34 ], "text": " spending a lot of time in the shower" }, { "timestamp": [ 18.34, 20.26 ], "text": " thinking about her. I don't remember the kid's name." }, { "timestamp": [ 20.26, 21.78 ], "text": " I can't really think of mom." }, { "timestamp": [ 21.88, 24.22 ], "text": " Now that I'm trying to put myself in your spot," }, { "timestamp": [ 24.42, 26.44 ], "text": " whose mom was so hot?" }, { "timestamp": [ 26.52, 27.36 ], "text": " I just can't even..." }, { "timestamp": [ 27.36, 29.14 ], "text": " No one really can come to my mind" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 6.32 ], "text": " think about it um that's a tough question that's a tough question man that's a tough one all right" }, { "timestamp": [ 6.32, 12.24 ], "text": " let's go back to your um let's get noah's mom was hot i don't even remember noah's mom um" }, { "timestamp": [ 13.12, 20.4 ], "text": " bode miller i don't know who that is bode miller i don't know isn't he like a skier yeah i don't" }, { "timestamp": [ 20.4, 26.32 ], "text": " know uh he's like an olympics you could always scout the 10 and unders by the um anyway all" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 14.14 ], "text": " So let's go back to what everybody wants to hear. So all right, let's go. We finished up the Las Vegas stuff. Now, where are you going into where you got into some trouble with the law? What happened there? How did that happen?" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 11.82 ], "text": " yeah so with with the spam right I was making a lot of money dude I was making at 22 years old I" }, { "timestamp": [ 11.82, 19.38 ], "text": " was making 10 grand a week not now now not every single week right I would have I would like get a" }, { "timestamp": [ 19.38, 26.58 ], "text": " conscience all of a sudden and I would be like well if I stop now if I stop now they'll forget" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 9.74 ], "text": " about me and then I won't get in trouble. Right. So nonsense, but they, they legit, um, like the" }, { "timestamp": [ 9.74, 15.14 ], "text": " porno was fine. Um, I was making, I was making a lot of money at a young age and Mike Ember," }, { "timestamp": [ 15.14, 21.4 ], "text": " um, was doing the porn thing and he was just getting started with it. And he and I started" }, { "timestamp": [ 21.4, 29.52 ], "text": " a, uh, a porn company called super sting. That was before icy porn where we were 50, 50 partners." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 9.52 ], "text": " we started producing porn content and i at some point i said to mike i said mike you know what" }, { "timestamp": [ 9.52, 14.48 ], "text": " i'm making so much money it's my best friend i was like i'm making so much money with all this" }, { "timestamp": [ 14.48, 21.52 ], "text": " other shit i'm doing why don't you take the porno and just have it like just do it like you know" }, { "timestamp": [ 21.52, 29.08 ], "text": " go ahead right okay so fast forward they just sold for nine figures five years ago right nine" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 8.88 ], "text": " figures wow nine not my boy so yeah which is great right I mean that's that's uh that's a" }, { "timestamp": [ 8.88, 13.3 ], "text": " fantastic feeling that your best friend did so well and was so successful and still is and that's" }, { "timestamp": [ 13.3, 22.74 ], "text": " and that's awesome so me on the other hand what what wound up happening was after the I I got" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 9.24 ], "text": " disinterested with the porn, I started getting involved in stock promotion, which was a terrible" }, { "timestamp": [ 9.24, 17.84 ], "text": " idea. Terrible idea. I was making a couple million a year, not legit, but under the radar, believe it" }, { "timestamp": [ 17.84, 26.04 ], "text": " or not. I was pulling in a couple million a year at 24, 25 years old. And it was relatively under" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 5.12 ], "text": " the radar because it didn't tick enough boxes for the government to get so terribly interested" }, { "timestamp": [ 6.16, 14.56 ], "text": " i was mostly selling pirated software and it wasn't all it wasn't all illegitimate keep in mind" }, { "timestamp": [ 15.28, 22.72 ], "text": " it was it was a mix like half of it was legit and then the other half was not legit so counterfeiting" }, { "timestamp": [ 22.72, 27.92 ], "text": " adobe photoshop the government didn't didn't really give a about adobe or microsoft they" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 4.22 ], "text": " They were like, they're big boys, and I always wanted to be you, Hugo." }, { "timestamp": [ 4.38, 7.26 ], "text": " So Hugo was a roommate of mine at Volatari." }, { "timestamp": [ 7.5, 7.7 ], "text": " Yeah." }, { "timestamp": [ 8.1, 11.86 ], "text": " Hugo, I remember when you showed up, kiddo, with that fucking hair, man." }, { "timestamp": [ 12.12, 13.22 ], "text": " Man, I loved you." }, { "timestamp": [ 13.26, 13.86 ], "text": " I still do." }, { "timestamp": [ 14.36, 21.04 ], "text": " I remember when Hugo showed up with the hair, and, man, I was like, this kid is special." }, { "timestamp": [ 21.22, 21.86 ], "text": " I knew it." }, { "timestamp": [ 21.86, 24.28 ], "text": " I was like, he is not tall." }, { "timestamp": [ 24.72, 29.3 ], "text": " I hope he grows because he's going to be a fucking amazing tennis player, and he did." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 13.04 ], "text": " And that's awesome. So but anyway, so back to the story, I was making all that money. It was it was not all illegitimate, but it was it was half and half." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 9.04 ], "text": " and what wound up happening was my cousin worked for Lehman Brothers actually my my cousin's" }, { "timestamp": [ 9.04, 13.14 ], "text": " husband right my first cousin's husband was working for one of these Wall Street banks and" }, { "timestamp": [ 13.14, 18.96 ], "text": " he was like dude he was like can we promote one of these stocks that I own because I'm I'm" }, { "timestamp": [ 18.96, 23.82 ], "text": " underwater by like you know 400,000 bucks and if you could just get it up like a dollar or two" }, { "timestamp": [ 23.82, 28.94 ], "text": " you know it would mean the world to me and your your cousins you know we could send them to" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 5.06 ], "text": " private school and all this bullshit, you know, and it was a sob story. And I was I'm not saying" }, { "timestamp": [ 5.06, 9.78 ], "text": " it like he made me like do it because he didn't. I was like, fuck, yeah, dude. I was like, let's" }, { "timestamp": [ 9.78, 17.54 ], "text": " let's go ahead and try it. We made 10 million bucks. Right. Okay. So I was like, well, I was" }, { "timestamp": [ 17.54, 22.88 ], "text": " like, you know, the all the little penny any bullshit that I was doing up till now pales in" }, { "timestamp": [ 22.88, 29.82 ], "text": " comparison to this stock market shit. So why don't we go ahead and do this now? Give us a year. Give" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 8.18 ], "text": " us well what year is this yeah that was 2003 okay that was 2003 yeah that was" }, { "timestamp": [ 8.18, 20.72 ], "text": " 2003 15 years ago yeah 2003 2003 and you know what happened was January 1st 2014" }, { "timestamp": [ 20.72, 26.84 ], "text": " they made spam unsolicited commercial spam you see as they call it federally" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 7.56 ], "text": " illegal. They, they, um, they enacted the canned spam act of 2014. Now at that point I was," }, { "timestamp": [ 7.78, 15.88 ], "text": " I was making so much money that I wasn't stopping, man. I didn't give a fuck. If they would have said" }, { "timestamp": [ 15.88, 18.94 ], "text": " to me, kid, you're looking at 10 years, we're going to catch you. Eventually I would have kept" }, { "timestamp": [ 18.94, 29.32 ], "text": " doing it. I was that far gone. I, I had a, I had a, a notion, a false notion that, cause my whole" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 4.68 ], "text": " life, no matter what I got caught with, I got away with it for the most part. Like I would get," }, { "timestamp": [ 4.8, 12.64 ], "text": " I would get caught, but then somehow I wouldn't really pay for it. Like I would get, I would get" }, { "timestamp": [ 12.64, 18.04 ], "text": " some kind of slap on the wrist, but it wouldn't be, I just had a way I, you know, to be honest," }, { "timestamp": [ 18.04, 24.14 ], "text": " I had a way about me. I was lucky enough or whatever that I could always kind of," } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 7.34 ], "text": " you know i could always just kind of figure my way out of stuff and i was sincere like i was a" }, { "timestamp": [ 7.34, 16.56 ], "text": " decent kid you know i wasn't a bad i never i wasn't no man no rodolfo he's a free man he's got his" }, { "timestamp": [ 16.56, 21.2 ], "text": " he's got his girlfriend he don't have a white boyfriend he's got a white girlfriend yeah she's" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 10.14 ], "text": " cooking dinner right now as a matter of fact okay she yeah yeah um so uh yeah i have a 13 year old" }, { "timestamp": [ 10.14, 14.88 ], "text": " kid that goes to american heritage he's not a tennis player i tried he's a he's super sweet" }, { "timestamp": [ 14.88, 23.44 ], "text": " he's a great kid and um but yeah i'm uh i'm a dad i'm a dad and so is and so is mike ember so so" }, { "timestamp": [ 23.44, 28.8 ], "text": " mike ember and i are still very close and he has a daughter that's roughly the same age of my son" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 5.76 ], "text": " and they're tight to do it and they're they're buddy buddy so we yeah so pretty amazing shit" }, { "timestamp": [ 5.76, 13.7 ], "text": " we're dead we're dads man well um okay so let's get back to where the the feds got on your ass" }, { "timestamp": [ 13.7, 23.38 ], "text": " and started to realize this guy's a problem this guy's on our radar okay so january 1st 2014 they" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 7.68 ], "text": " enact the can spam act and i wasn't stopping i was i was going full blown so so listen to this" }, { "timestamp": [ 7.68, 14.3 ], "text": " all right this is how ridiculous i got i was i was up until that point i was promoting other stocks" }, { "timestamp": [ 14.3, 18.92 ], "text": " like we would just buy a million shares of something for a dollar a piece right we throw a" }, { "timestamp": [ 18.92, 23.9 ], "text": " million bucks into it we'd get it up to five dollars a share we'd sell it we'd make four" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 7.5 ], "text": " million we'd split it we'd whack it okay then we got the fucking brilliant idea to take our own" }, { "timestamp": [ 7.5, 21.42 ], "text": " fraudulent company public okay so if you could imagine i mean kind of yeah it kind of it kind" }, { "timestamp": [ 21.42, 26.68 ], "text": " of was like that a little bit it was more internet so it was uh wolf of wall street was all telephone" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 5.92 ], "text": " boiler room and mine was all internet bait so mine was like it mine's like an updated updated" }, { "timestamp": [ 5.92, 12.4 ], "text": " uh wolf of wall street perhaps yep so what happened was was you know it's kind of like" }, { "timestamp": [ 12.4, 16.48 ], "text": " could you imagine like a drug dealer being like well i'm doing really good selling drugs so let" }, { "timestamp": [ 16.48, 22 ], "text": " me go ahead and raise money from the public and and so i can expand my uh i can expand my" }, { "timestamp": [ 22, 26.16 ], "text": " fucking my network here because right now i'm buying from the mexicans but if i could only" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 6 ], "text": " buy from the peruvians i just need four million you know investment you know anyway so that's what" }, { "timestamp": [ 6, 12.56 ], "text": " we did man so we promoted our own we promoted our own now that was my idea so to be honest that it" }, { "timestamp": [ 12.56, 17.76 ], "text": " wasn't it wasn't uh you know i didn't do anything alone but i i was the one that was like can't we" }, { "timestamp": [ 17.76, 22.48 ], "text": " just take ourselves public like why are we beating around the bush if we're if we're if we're doing" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 8.48 ], "text": " something wrong let's just let's do it like let's fucking take ourselves public yeah so we did so i" }, { "timestamp": [ 8.48, 16.16 ], "text": " woke up one morning i was 27 years old i was worth 220 million dollars okay not bad not a bad coin" }, { "timestamp": [ 16.16, 25.12 ], "text": " right there that's a number so um so that's when we were on the radar at that point like the nasd" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 8.24 ], "text": " the, uh, yeah, the regulators, they saw, they saw that IPO and they were like, this is not," }, { "timestamp": [ 8.6, 12.82 ], "text": " there's something up, something's up. This is not like a Goldman Sachs deal. This is some kind of" }, { "timestamp": [ 12.82, 19.94 ], "text": " renegade, you know, chop house shop, chop shop doing this shit. And, um, they came down on us." }, { "timestamp": [ 20.48, 29.98 ], "text": " That was in March, October, October. One of my guys got cornered by the FBI in his parking garage." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 8.42 ], "text": " What year? That was 2004. So it started at the end of, yeah, it started at the end of 2003" }, { "timestamp": [ 8.42, 14.44 ], "text": " and, uh, and it ended October of 2004. All right. He ratted everybody out." }, { "timestamp": [ 15.94, 21.48 ], "text": " No, you know what? He, he called me right away and he was like, he was like, dude, he was like," }, { "timestamp": [ 21.52, 25.52 ], "text": " I'm really scared. I don't know what the fuck is going on. He was kind of a little bit innocent" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 6.14 ], "text": " in the sense of I hid him from a lot of the things that were certainly off color this particular he" }, { "timestamp": [ 6.14, 12.58 ], "text": " was a Boca Bath neighbor of mine that I was very close with yeah and he had he had like he still" }, { "timestamp": [ 12.58, 18.6 ], "text": " has like three passports so the kid was like a perfect he was a perfect kind of beard for me" }, { "timestamp": [ 18.6, 22.48 ], "text": " because I knew if this shit ever hit the fan he could run to Switzerland he could run to Dubai" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 8.38 ], "text": " which he did and um you know so mamad i told him i was like dude i was like you didn't do anything" }, { "timestamp": [ 8.38, 12.94 ], "text": " all right tell them be honest like you need obviously you're gonna need to get an attorney" }, { "timestamp": [ 12.94, 18.28 ], "text": " and he had plenty of money you know that he owned with me at that point and i was like" }, { "timestamp": [ 18.28, 24.22 ], "text": " i was like trouble this is this is the end kiddo this is this is you know it's it's going down so" }, { "timestamp": [ 24.22, 28.74 ], "text": " this is a big time white collar crime are we getting uh cosinoster involved we get the mafia" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 8.24 ], "text": " involved here uh kind of you know my um so i'm half italian i'm half jewish right gregory alphonse" }, { "timestamp": [ 8.24, 12.4 ], "text": " nemensky so so we could talk about my last name for a minute because this everybody's always" }, { "timestamp": [ 12.4, 16.32 ], "text": " curious about the question that's another question but we'll get into that go ahead i want to know if" }, { "timestamp": [ 16.32, 24.64 ], "text": " cosinostra was involved with this yeah so my mother my mother was italian and my father is" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 7.52 ], "text": " Russian Jew and they grew up in Newark which was half Jewish half Italian so my mother's side was" }, { "timestamp": [ 7.52, 18.48 ], "text": " was mob connected and so was the mob involved not directly there was one deal that I did that was" }, { "timestamp": [ 18.48, 27.6 ], "text": " mob influenced there was a yeah there was a guy that was in the mob that that he's he did he did" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 3.02 ], "text": " quite a bit of time when I did." }, { "timestamp": [ 5.36, 11.72 ], "text": " I'm a big mob guy. I watch a lot of documentaries. It seems like when the mob can figure out" }, { "timestamp": [ 11.72, 16.58 ], "text": " that there's a good situation brewing, that somebody has a good white-collar crime, they're" }, { "timestamp": [ 16.58, 21.82 ], "text": " going to force their hand in that. That's why I asked, because I assume that you had to..." }, { "timestamp": [ 21.82, 26.24 ], "text": " Someone from one of the families had to figure out what you were doing at some point." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 4.54 ], "text": " my I guess I'm right they were already doing it they were already doing it to" }, { "timestamp": [ 4.54, 10.12 ], "text": " be honest they just lack they were like oh shit this kid is is involved in what" }, { "timestamp": [ 10.12, 18.44 ], "text": " we are already doing so let's let's let's do a deal with them okay yeah so" }, { "timestamp": [ 18.44, 23.24 ], "text": " there you go the mob is ball alright so when do the feds come to you when do we" }, { "timestamp": [ 23.24, 28.12 ], "text": " when when does the when is your door knocked on what time frame what what" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 8.2 ], "text": " month, what year, and what goes down? So what happened was Muhammad and I, right, Muhammad was" }, { "timestamp": [ 8.2, 14.86 ], "text": " my buddy that got cornered by the FBI in his parking garage. We had an agreement between the" }, { "timestamp": [ 14.86, 21.78 ], "text": " two of us. I told him, I was like, dude, we need to buy anonymous cell phones, and we need to be" }, { "timestamp": [ 21.78, 26.86 ], "text": " able to communicate with each other so that nobody knows. So we did that, right? We did." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 9.86 ], "text": " We bought anonymous cell and it worked, believe it or not. The FBI had no idea. And we we were we had a we had an agreement." }, { "timestamp": [ 10, 18.8 ], "text": " We had a code is what we had, where if either one of us was being being the call was being monitored by the FBI." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.8, 22.8 ], "text": " We were going to start out the conversation talking about Paris." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 7.9 ], "text": " Like, I don't know where we came up with that, but it was going to be like, hey, I just was remembering that time in Paris." }, { "timestamp": [ 7.9, 9.16 ], "text": " That was the best or whatever." }, { "timestamp": [ 9.88, 11.54 ], "text": " So he called me." }, { "timestamp": [ 11.6, 16.34 ], "text": " He called me, you know, a month after, like in November." }, { "timestamp": [ 17.44, 20.78 ], "text": " And he was like, dude, remember that Paris trip?" }, { "timestamp": [ 20.82, 22.1 ], "text": " And I was like, oh, fuck." }, { "timestamp": [ 22.52, 23.2 ], "text": " Oh, fuck." }, { "timestamp": [ 23.3, 24.08 ], "text": " I love it." }, { "timestamp": [ 24.18, 24.48 ], "text": " I love it." }, { "timestamp": [ 25.24, 25.46 ], "text": " Yeah." }, { "timestamp": [ 25.64, 26.62 ], "text": " Feds are watching." }, { "timestamp": [ 26.76, 27.5 ], "text": " Oh, my God." }, { "timestamp": [ 27.5, 28.18 ], "text": " Feds are watching." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 9 ], "text": " so that's that's when they started uh closing in on me i hired an attorney and um" }, { "timestamp": [ 9, 18.18 ], "text": " when when they came um they to be honest with white collar it's not very dramatic it's not" }, { "timestamp": [ 18.18, 23.52 ], "text": " like with drugs where they they battering ram the door down it's more it's more yeah it's paper it's" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 6.08 ], "text": " like, you know, they, they, uh, right. They send what's called a target, a target letter," }, { "timestamp": [ 6.16, 12.48 ], "text": " meaning it's, you're a target of a federal investigation. So I got that. And, and, uh," }, { "timestamp": [ 12.88, 19.72 ], "text": " and then, um, and then it just becomes this whole legal fucking nightmare. It was 10 years of my" }, { "timestamp": [ 19.72, 27.28 ], "text": " life, man, from 27 to 37, I'm 42. Now I spent 10 years of my life under the government's care," } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 4.74 ], "text": " let's say or supervision well I guess did you did you just turn yourself in they" }, { "timestamp": [ 4.74, 9.32 ], "text": " didn't come to you did you just say okay it's over I'm gonna turn myself in yeah" }, { "timestamp": [ 9.32, 13.44 ], "text": " so what happened was my my cousin my cousin and I had what's called a joint" }, { "timestamp": [ 13.44, 18.76 ], "text": " defense agreement which meant that we were functioning as equals the two of us" }, { "timestamp": [ 18.76, 22.92 ], "text": " we were not gonna rat on the other we were going to go in together and say" }, { "timestamp": [ 22.92, 27.6 ], "text": " here's what we did neither one of us was more culpable or less culpable than the" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 10 ], "text": " other. Okay. So, so judge us fairly and equally. Okay. So what does this motherfucker do? He breaks" }, { "timestamp": [ 10, 16.48 ], "text": " the joint defense agreement, runs in there and rats on me and, and makes it that I'm the kingpin," }, { "timestamp": [ 16.8, 23.98 ], "text": " right? The 20 he's, he's, he's 40 years old and worked on wall street, worked for Lehman brothers" }, { "timestamp": [ 23.98, 29.98 ], "text": " for a long time. I had no fucking clue. I worked at Morgan Stanley for a year and fixed things." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 6.3 ], "text": " I really was not a Wall Street guy I was a technology guy and still am so so you" }, { "timestamp": [ 6.3, 11.16 ], "text": " know he he broke the joint defense agreement and that really hurt that hurt" }, { "timestamp": [ 11.16, 23.24 ], "text": " me a lot man so I was looking at I was looking at 20 years Wow 20 years yeah so" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 7.42 ], "text": " So he was afraid that he was going to get a dime." }, { "timestamp": [ 7.54, 9.28 ], "text": " So he was afraid that he was going to get 10 years." }, { "timestamp": [ 9.28, 14.58 ], "text": " And what he did was, in essence, was he locked in for himself that he was only going to get a maximum of five." }, { "timestamp": [ 14.7, 14.94 ], "text": " Okay." }, { "timestamp": [ 15.16, 18.18 ], "text": " And made it so that I could get a maximum of 20." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.44, 18.76 ], "text": " Okay." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.98, 19.28 ], "text": " Wow." }, { "timestamp": [ 19.52, 19.9 ], "text": " All right." }, { "timestamp": [ 20.68, 21.04 ], "text": " Yeah." }, { "timestamp": [ 21.32, 21.62 ], "text": " Yeah." }, { "timestamp": [ 22.06, 22.46 ], "text": " All right." }, { "timestamp": [ 22.54, 24.36 ], "text": " So this is all in New York City, correct?" }, { "timestamp": [ 25.8, 26.2 ], "text": " No." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 5.58 ], "text": " I was actually living in Aventura at the time and I was playing tennis at the jockey club with Posner and Steve Burke" }, { "timestamp": [ 5.92, 7.92 ], "text": " who's around and" }, { "timestamp": [ 7.92, 9.92 ], "text": " That's a guy to be around with" }, { "timestamp": [ 9.92, 16.34 ], "text": " Oh my god, so wait, this is all happening in Dade County when all these investigations not New York City" }, { "timestamp": [ 17.26, 20.5 ], "text": " Not New York. I had three homes at that point" }, { "timestamp": [ 20.5, 26 ], "text": " So I had I had a I had a sick apartment in New York in New York City. I had a" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 6.94 ], "text": " a I had another sick apartment in Vegas not far from the strip okay at the Las" }, { "timestamp": [ 6.94, 13.2 ], "text": " Vegas Country Club and I had a in Aventura I had a nice place on the water" }, { "timestamp": [ 13.2, 29.7 ], "text": " so he my so yeah he's he's apparently he's in Sarasota okay nobody" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 6.26 ], "text": " yeah nobody really uh hears from him much he i think he um he shacked up with some like rich old" }, { "timestamp": [ 6.26, 13.86 ], "text": " some rich old lady he's all right sugar sugar mama he's alive he's alive he's alive yeah he's" }, { "timestamp": [ 13.86, 19.66 ], "text": " alive nobody whacked him out nobody whacked him out no because he's yeah he's the father of my" }, { "timestamp": [ 19.66, 28.3 ], "text": " my nieces right so my i have two nieces first cousin yeah yeah man that's tough" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 3.5 ], "text": " All right, so how long are you in jail for?" }, { "timestamp": [ 6.02, 9.06 ], "text": " I did a little over two and a half years." }, { "timestamp": [ 9.68, 9.96 ], "text": " Wow." }, { "timestamp": [ 11.22, 11.46 ], "text": " Yeah." }, { "timestamp": [ 12.46, 12.98 ], "text": " Where?" }, { "timestamp": [ 13.34, 13.86 ], "text": " Yeah." }, { "timestamp": [ 14.08, 14.7 ], "text": " Where was it?" }, { "timestamp": [ 14.7, 17.44 ], "text": " It was in Jessup, Georgia." }, { "timestamp": [ 17.6, 17.88 ], "text": " Really?" }, { "timestamp": [ 17.92, 19.98 ], "text": " Jessup, Georgia, outside of Savannah." }, { "timestamp": [ 20.22, 20.46 ], "text": " Yeah." }, { "timestamp": [ 20.48, 20.66 ], "text": " Okay." }, { "timestamp": [ 20.7, 22.38 ], "text": " It was fucked up." }, { "timestamp": [ 22.4, 22.84 ], "text": " Fucked up." }, { "timestamp": [ 23.06, 23.32 ], "text": " Okay." }, { "timestamp": [ 23.78, 24.34 ], "text": " Well, here's some questions." }, { "timestamp": [ 24.66, 25.64 ], "text": " Fucked up." }, { "timestamp": [ 25.7, 26.84 ], "text": " Here's some questions for you." }, { "timestamp": [ 26.96, 27.48 ], "text": " Are you ready?" }, { "timestamp": [ 28.7, 29.18 ], "text": " Yeah." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 2.7 ], "text": " What was the biggest dick you sucked in jail?" }, { "timestamp": [ 3.46, 4.94 ], "text": " And who do you think asked that question?" }, { "timestamp": [ 8.94, 10.88 ], "text": " I don't know." }, { "timestamp": [ 10.88, 13.6 ], "text": " Any of these wonderful characters." }, { "timestamp": [ 15.76, 16.68 ], "text": " I don't know, man." }, { "timestamp": [ 16.78, 20.46 ], "text": " It was thicker than it was really thick." }, { "timestamp": [ 20.56, 22.04 ], "text": " I just remember it being really wide." }, { "timestamp": [ 23.48, 29.3 ], "text": " Can you give us a story?" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 15.16 ], "text": " good one in jail I mean plenty sure yeah a good story about the bucket well there was okay so my" }, { "timestamp": [ 15.16, 25.88 ], "text": " father my father came to visit one time and my father he he brought in like we were designed my" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 4.98 ], "text": " father's a Czech cashier so we were designing a new store and my father" }, { "timestamp": [ 4.98, 9.46 ], "text": " brought in like the the schematics for the new store into visitation which is" }, { "timestamp": [ 9.46, 14.04 ], "text": " not allowed okay you're not allowed that's contraband right sure so we were" }, { "timestamp": [ 14.04, 20.7 ], "text": " we were kind of you know discreet about it and we were we were looking over the" }, { "timestamp": [ 20.7, 25.38 ], "text": " the schematics of the of the the new store and we were like okay the teller" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 5.84 ], "text": " will be here the safe will be here this and that and the one of the guards noticed that we were" }, { "timestamp": [ 5.84, 10 ], "text": " looking at this piece of paper pretty intently so he comes over and he takes the piece of paper" }, { "timestamp": [ 10.64, 16.16 ], "text": " so i'm like ah whatever you know it's it's a diagram for this new store that we're opening" }, { "timestamp": [ 16.16, 20.8 ], "text": " they'll just probably throw it out they sent me to the hole they thought that i was planning on" }, { "timestamp": [ 20.8, 29.92 ], "text": " escaping wow he's a moron holy shit um i was like you know i was like guys you know you're not the" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 4.64 ], "text": " brightest bulbs you know first of all the place that i was at originally had no walls all right" }, { "timestamp": [ 4.64, 8.88 ], "text": " there was no there was no fence like you could you didn't have to escape you you just walked out" }, { "timestamp": [ 9.44, 14.48 ], "text": " like it was it was a camp right so it was a federal it was a federal camp is where i started" }, { "timestamp": [ 14.48, 18.32 ], "text": " which is where they put the guys that have five years or less that didn't do anything violent" }, { "timestamp": [ 18.32, 23.28 ], "text": " right you know it was called you know non-violent offenders right so like martha stewart type" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 1.68 ], "text": " shit, you know, country club jail." }, { "timestamp": [ 2.34, 4.66 ], "text": " Was it a country club jail according to Joel Berman?" }, { "timestamp": [ 5.82, 6.12 ], "text": " Okay." }, { "timestamp": [ 6.66, 9.3 ], "text": " It was until I got locked up for that." }, { "timestamp": [ 9.3, 14.8 ], "text": " Then they put me in a higher security place where it had a fence and had barbed wire." }, { "timestamp": [ 14.88, 21.36 ], "text": " And I was in there with violent people, not, not super violent, not like murderers." }, { "timestamp": [ 21.44, 23.54 ], "text": " There were some people that had killed some people." }, { "timestamp": [ 23.64, 23.88 ], "text": " Yes." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 4.6 ], "text": " but it was one notch up." }, { "timestamp": [ 4.76, 7.48 ], "text": " So it was definitely like controlled movements," }, { "timestamp": [ 7.56, 9.2 ], "text": " meaning you couldn't just roam freely." }, { "timestamp": [ 10.16, 11.28 ], "text": " It sucked, dude." }, { "timestamp": [ 11.44, 11.92 ], "text": " It sucked." }, { "timestamp": [ 12.58, 12.98 ], "text": " It sucked." }, { "timestamp": [ 13.36, 13.56 ], "text": " Wow." }, { "timestamp": [ 14.12, 14.48 ], "text": " All right." }, { "timestamp": [ 14.66, 18.24 ], "text": " So I did almost three months in the hole." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.7, 20.82 ], "text": " Like there was no light." }, { "timestamp": [ 20.92, 21.64 ], "text": " Holy shit." }, { "timestamp": [ 23.2, 23.5 ], "text": " Yeah." }, { "timestamp": [ 25.12, 27.4 ], "text": " Looking back on it, you know, to be honest," } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 2.56 ], "text": " it has toughened me up significantly." }, { "timestamp": [ 2.96, 3.06 ], "text": " I bet." }, { "timestamp": [ 4.12, 5.92 ], "text": " Shit that, man, I don't know." }, { "timestamp": [ 6.06, 8.1 ], "text": " I mean, all you guys seem really well-adjusted," }, { "timestamp": [ 8.16, 10.94 ], "text": " and everybody, I'm so glad all you guys are doing so great." }, { "timestamp": [ 11.38, 14.46 ], "text": " But little shit used to really set me off." }, { "timestamp": [ 14.7, 15.18 ], "text": " Not anymore." }, { "timestamp": [ 15.44, 17.54 ], "text": " Almost nothing sets me off anymore, man." }, { "timestamp": [ 19.12, 22.52 ], "text": " As long as my kid's good, my girl's good, I'm good." }, { "timestamp": [ 22.86, 23.48 ], "text": " That's it." }, { "timestamp": [ 23.8, 24.78 ], "text": " I don't give a fuck." }, { "timestamp": [ 25.12, 27.44 ], "text": " You could stick a knife in my arm." }, { "timestamp": [ 27.5, 28.9 ], "text": " I'm really not going to budge much," } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 3.72 ], "text": " because as long as it's affecting me and not anybody else, I'm cool." }, { "timestamp": [ 3.92, 7.08 ], "text": " Well, when you walk out of jail, what year is that?" }, { "timestamp": [ 9.98, 15.62 ], "text": " That was, all right, so I was locked up 07, 08, and 09, those three years." }, { "timestamp": [ 16.62, 18.06 ], "text": " 07, 08, and 09, yeah." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.16, 19.64 ], "text": " Do the feds take all your money?" }, { "timestamp": [ 21.2, 21.76 ], "text": " Oh, yeah." }, { "timestamp": [ 21.94, 24.48 ], "text": " Well, so what happened, you know what?" }, { "timestamp": [ 24.54, 25.8 ], "text": " To be honest, they didn't take it." }, { "timestamp": [ 25.88, 28.22 ], "text": " I gave it to them because my attorney said," } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 2.22 ], "text": " He said, here's what's going to happen, kiddo." }, { "timestamp": [ 2.78, 6.82 ], "text": " If you don't give them every last penny, they're going to give you 20 years." }, { "timestamp": [ 7.1, 7.86 ], "text": " Wow, okay." }, { "timestamp": [ 7.98, 8.82 ], "text": " That's what's going to happen." }, { "timestamp": [ 9.04, 11.8 ], "text": " And my wife at the time was pregnant with my son." }, { "timestamp": [ 11.84, 12.06 ], "text": " Okay." }, { "timestamp": [ 12.46, 16.5 ], "text": " So I didn't know he was going to be a boy at that time, but she was pregnant." }, { "timestamp": [ 16.9, 27.16 ], "text": " So she got pregnant, and then literally like three months later, they come and corner my, yes." }, { "timestamp": [ 27.16, 28.62 ], "text": " No, child was not born." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 8.36 ], "text": " So child was born before I went to jail, Joel, but the whole process before I actually self-surrendered was three years." }, { "timestamp": [ 8.68, 10.46 ], "text": " So my kid was pregnant." }, { "timestamp": [ 10.9, 11.38 ], "text": " Excuse me." }, { "timestamp": [ 11.44, 12.76 ], "text": " My kid was not pregnant." }, { "timestamp": [ 12.84, 19.08 ], "text": " My wife was pregnant with my kid when the government came and cornered my buddy." }, { "timestamp": [ 19.9, 21.74 ], "text": " So she had him." }, { "timestamp": [ 21.86, 26.18 ], "text": " It was a really kind of anticlimactic time in my life." }, { "timestamp": [ 26.18, 28.88 ], "text": " I'm like, this is supposed to be the best time in my life." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 7.44 ], "text": " But meanwhile, like, you know, I'm having a boy, my first son, but I have the hanging shadow of jail time." }, { "timestamp": [ 7.44, 12.02 ], "text": " And I have no idea whether it's going to be a year or 10 years or 20 years at this point." }, { "timestamp": [ 12.48, 18.52 ], "text": " All right. So when you get out of jail, are you still married or do you get are you are you separated from your wife at that point?" }, { "timestamp": [ 20.72, 29.66 ], "text": " Well, I mean, we were separated for involuntarily for so long that when I got home, it was a wrap, man." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 3.28 ], "text": " there was no possibility of that working." }, { "timestamp": [ 4, 6.86 ], "text": " It took such a toll on our relationship." }, { "timestamp": [ 7.36, 10.46 ], "text": " And we were never really strong to begin with." }, { "timestamp": [ 10.64, 12.86 ], "text": " I mean, she was a stripper, right?" }, { "timestamp": [ 12.92, 13.86 ], "text": " I don't know if I mentioned that." }, { "timestamp": [ 14.02, 17.92 ], "text": " She wasn't a porn star, but, you know, I was living that life." }, { "timestamp": [ 18, 18.58 ], "text": " Yeah, yeah." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.7, 24.82 ], "text": " You know, it wasn't something that to me was like so, you know," }, { "timestamp": [ 24.98, 26.9 ], "text": " a deal breaker, which it certainly should have been." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 6.36 ], "text": " When you walk out of prison, are you like Denzel Washington, an American gangster, as they show him, just with nothing?" }, { "timestamp": [ 6.52, 10.26 ], "text": " Like, as far as finance, like, you just seem like, oh, my God, this guy had everything." }, { "timestamp": [ 12.02, 15.5 ], "text": " Now he's on the street looking to see what the hell's going on in life." }, { "timestamp": [ 15.92, 18.82 ], "text": " Where were you at out of prison, like, job, financials?" }, { "timestamp": [ 18.82, 20.6 ], "text": " Were you just like, what the fuck's going on?" }, { "timestamp": [ 20.66, 21.48 ], "text": " What do I have here?" }, { "timestamp": [ 23.68, 28.18 ], "text": " It's funny you mention that, because that movie actually came out while I was locked up." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 2 ], "text": " and I still to this day have never seen it." }, { "timestamp": [ 2.04, 2.9 ], "text": " Oh, what, great movie." }, { "timestamp": [ 3.22, 6.18 ], "text": " And yeah, maybe I'll check it out." }, { "timestamp": [ 6.32, 10.52 ], "text": " So Lucas, so my, one of my uncles was a character," }, { "timestamp": [ 10.84, 15.38 ], "text": " not the actor, but legit on my mother's side," }, { "timestamp": [ 15.48, 17.72 ], "text": " one of my uncles was portrayed in that movie." }, { "timestamp": [ 17.78, 17.98 ], "text": " Okay." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.4, 24.28 ], "text": " So a family, yeah, he was actually Joe Sedano." }, { "timestamp": [ 24.42, 26.04 ], "text": " So Joe Sedano was an uncle of mine" }, { "timestamp": [ 26.04, 29.16 ], "text": " and he was one of Lucas's like guys," } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 4.24 ], "text": " like one of the guys that helped distribute the drugs or whatever." }, { "timestamp": [ 4.4, 9 ], "text": " So I haven't seen that movie, but my dad did tell me that one of my uncles was in that movie," }, { "timestamp": [ 9.06, 10.7 ], "text": " not as an actor, but one of the characters." }, { "timestamp": [ 11.52, 11.76 ], "text": " Wow." }, { "timestamp": [ 11.96, 12.58 ], "text": " You didn't see it." }, { "timestamp": [ 12.98, 16.38 ], "text": " So, yeah, crazy, right?" }, { "timestamp": [ 16.78, 20.44 ], "text": " It's funny because if you think about it, you know, I grew up in Boca." }, { "timestamp": [ 20.92, 22.18 ], "text": " I went to St. Andrews." }, { "timestamp": [ 22.26, 24.12 ], "text": " I was a tennis player, for Christ's sake." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 9.08 ], "text": " And then there's this whole other side that nobody, very few people knew about, that my father was really involved with all this crazy shit." }, { "timestamp": [ 10.32, 18.12 ], "text": " My father went to jail when I was young, and that's how we wound up moving to Florida, believe it or not, was that my mother picked up me and my sister and my grandma." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.62, 26.02 ], "text": " She was like, let's go down to Hallandale Beach while your father's in jail and get away from this shit." }, { "timestamp": [ 26.84, 29.44 ], "text": " And that's how we wound up in Florida." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 2.02 ], "text": " Your father, I remember your father pretty well." }, { "timestamp": [ 2.04, 2.74 ], "text": " He's a tough guy." }, { "timestamp": [ 2.84, 3.38 ], "text": " I remember that." }, { "timestamp": [ 3.46, 4.34 ], "text": " He's short, right?" }, { "timestamp": [ 4.44, 8.68 ], "text": " Real short, strong, just mean motherfucker." }, { "timestamp": [ 8.82, 9.86 ], "text": " He looked like he was a tough guy." }, { "timestamp": [ 9.88, 11.6 ], "text": " Dude, to this day, I won't fuck with him." }, { "timestamp": [ 11.8, 13.12 ], "text": " I will not fuck with him." }, { "timestamp": [ 13.42, 13.68 ], "text": " Yeah." }, { "timestamp": [ 13.84, 14.7 ], "text": " I remember your dad." }, { "timestamp": [ 14.88, 15.48 ], "text": " I remember your dad." }, { "timestamp": [ 16.4, 18.3 ], "text": " He's a tough son of a bitch, boy." }, { "timestamp": [ 18.9, 19.26 ], "text": " All right." }, { "timestamp": [ 19.52, 24.28 ], "text": " So, I mean, now we're, this goes from 20 questions now to an interview because it's unbelievably" }, { "timestamp": [ 24.28, 25.12 ], "text": " fascinating." }, { "timestamp": [ 26.38, 28.54 ], "text": " You know, what, all right." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 7.96 ], "text": " I'll ask a question that somebody asked, and there's your – and by the way, how do we coin the phrase hashtag shit my white girlfriend?" }, { "timestamp": [ 8.64, 9.72 ], "text": " How do we coin that phrase?" }, { "timestamp": [ 9.86, 12.5 ], "text": " Where does the originality come from that?" }, { "timestamp": [ 12.98, 13.72 ], "text": " Where's the origin?" }, { "timestamp": [ 14.18, 14.54 ], "text": " Yeah." }, { "timestamp": [ 15.58, 20.2 ], "text": " So, yeah, my wife, she's – she got done cooking dinners, but she's going to eat." }, { "timestamp": [ 20.48, 22.68 ], "text": " I'll continue because I'm really enjoying this." }, { "timestamp": [ 22.76, 24.92 ], "text": " I haven't talked to a lot of you guys in a long time." }, { "timestamp": [ 26.04, 28.24 ], "text": " But shit my white girlfriend says." }, { "timestamp": [ 28.24, 29.64 ], "text": " So how did that start?" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 7.14 ], "text": " man one day she just said some ridiculous shit and I was like man that is the whitest shit" }, { "timestamp": [ 7.14, 12.42 ], "text": " she's ever said and I always said to myself she's the whitest girl I've ever dated I've ever met" }, { "timestamp": [ 12.42, 19.96 ], "text": " and uh and so I um I just I posted on Facebook I was like shit my white girlfriend says" }, { "timestamp": [ 19.96, 27.72 ], "text": " and I put that quote and I forget what which one it was the very first one yeah but you know people" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 2 ], "text": " reacted to it very positively." }, { "timestamp": [ 2, 4.94 ], "text": " They were like, oh, yeah, she's so white," }, { "timestamp": [ 4.94, 6.08 ], "text": " and that's so funny." }, { "timestamp": [ 6.08, 8.68 ], "text": " And then I just, you know, from there on," }, { "timestamp": [ 8.68, 11.54 ], "text": " I would just kind of every morning" }, { "timestamp": [ 11.54, 12.88 ], "text": " while I'm taking my morning dump," }, { "timestamp": [ 12.88, 17.82 ], "text": " I would post the whitest shit that she said the day before." }, { "timestamp": [ 19.02, 22.78 ], "text": " And now I've got like a running," }, { "timestamp": [ 23.16, 25.06 ], "text": " I have like one of those notes on my phone" }, { "timestamp": [ 25.06, 27.26 ], "text": " where I have like 50 of them queued up." } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 2.96 ], "text": " and I sit on the toilet" }, { "timestamp": [ 2.96, 4.76 ], "text": " and I review them all and I'm like" }, { "timestamp": [ 4.76, 6.88 ], "text": " that's the one for today. That's the one" }, { "timestamp": [ 6.88, 7.4 ], "text": " right there." }, { "timestamp": [ 8.18, 11.18 ], "text": " It's a hashtag that I think is resonating" }, { "timestamp": [ 11.18, 11.88 ], "text": " to the top." }, { "timestamp": [ 13.04, 14.28 ], "text": " What did Rob..." }, { "timestamp": [ 14.28, 17 ], "text": " Wow, Peter Hoffman's here. Jesus Christ." }, { "timestamp": [ 17.16, 18.64 ], "text": " No one's seen Peter Hoffman in years." }, { "timestamp": [ 19, 20.88 ], "text": " Greg, when you bring in Peter Hoffman in the show," }, { "timestamp": [ 20.96, 22.08 ], "text": " you know you're doing something right." }, { "timestamp": [ 23.54, 23.88 ], "text": " Yeah." }, { "timestamp": [ 24.74, 25 ], "text": " Alright." }, { "timestamp": [ 26.66, 28.92 ], "text": " So now your life is" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 7.6 ], "text": " back you're back on track um we're going back in time where do you land on your feet finally what" }, { "timestamp": [ 8.16, 13.6 ], "text": " gets you back in in the game of making money and doing the things you want to do when does this" }, { "timestamp": [ 13.6, 27.6 ], "text": " happen man well um okay so uh i have to think about this because i have to be careful about" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 5.44 ], "text": " what i say because i still have some ongoing things with the ira you really it's all good" }, { "timestamp": [ 5.44, 10.88 ], "text": " it's all good just let me um let me say this when i got out of jail this this is what i was" }, { "timestamp": [ 10.88, 18.88 ], "text": " this is what i was faced with i was in the middle of i had a i had a five-year-old son that i didn't" }, { "timestamp": [ 18.88, 25.36 ], "text": " know how to be a father to okay like legit i only saw him once a month for the last two and a half" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 6.24 ], "text": " years or so in a visitation room where they just had like a game of battleship or something." }, { "timestamp": [ 7.44, 15.84 ], "text": " And my parents were awesome about bringing him as much as possible. But I got out and this is this." }, { "timestamp": [ 15.84, 23.68 ], "text": " So so I had to learn how to be a father to him. My mother had cancer. We found out right after I got" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 7.42 ], "text": " out. She was misdiagnosed while I was in prison as an ulcer. The IRS was after me for $8 million" }, { "timestamp": [ 7.42, 14.78 ], "text": " or whatever the fuck. It was some nonsense where stock trades that they, the IRS, didn't talk to" }, { "timestamp": [ 14.78, 19.2 ], "text": " the Department of Justice. So the Department of Justice took all the money. I gave them everything," }, { "timestamp": [ 19.2, 29.92 ], "text": " but they failed to inform the IRS of my case. So the IRS comes at me. When I come out of prison," } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 9.32 ], "text": " they a fucking IRS agent knocks on my parents door looking for me with a with a with a tax lien" }, { "timestamp": [ 9.32, 17.76 ], "text": " for eight million dollars okay wow in Boca Boca battle yeah no they had moved to" }, { "timestamp": [ 17.76, 23.84 ], "text": " Mission Bay they lived out west at that point they sold the house okay yeah they sold the house in" }, { "timestamp": [ 23.84, 27.74 ], "text": " Boca Beth and bought a bigger house they lived in a bigger house out west which made no sense" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 6.52 ], "text": " but they, yeah. So, so there was that. So I was going through divorce. My mother had cancer." }, { "timestamp": [ 7.02, 12.44 ], "text": " I was on federal supervision, which meant that at any time my, my PO could show up and be like," }, { "timestamp": [ 12.44, 18.94 ], "text": " right now pissing this cup, like in my hand. And, or, you know, they'd show up at a bar and" }, { "timestamp": [ 18.94, 22.78 ], "text": " they're like, drinking is a violation. You know, I could send you back to jail right now if I wanted" } ]

[ { "timestamp": [ 0, 6.98 ], "text": " to stupid shit like that. I was that was yeah, man, that was my life. When I got out, it was" }, { "timestamp": [ 6.98, 15.84 ], "text": " tough. It was very, very tough. Yeah. Yeah. So to answer your question. So the IRS now is" }, { "timestamp": [ 15.84, 23.6 ], "text": " completely completely behind me. So now I don't have to structure anything, any kind of creative" } ]