Less knowledge, maybe better reasoning versus Qwen2
Qwen2.5 is the first modest size model around (in the leagues of Yi, GLM4, Llama3.1, Phi3.5, Gemma2) to fail knowledge some lesser known OS history tidbits, even versus Qwen2.
When ask about "Around BeOS family. In depth comparison of BeOS kernel, Zeta kernel, the NewOS Development kernel and the Haiku kernel"
Qwen2.5 answer about Zeta "Zeta Kernel (from NetBSD) Architecture : Zeta is a monolithic kernel derived from the NetBSD project. It combines all system services into a single address space."
Qwen2 answer about Zeta "Zeta Kernel Origin : Zeta is a modern fork of the BeOS kernel that was started in 2013 by a group of developers who wanted to continue developing the BeOS legacy."
Ollama with Qwen2.5 instruct, FP16 precision. But I can't rule out a llama.cpp bug for these new models.
Complete answers for reference:
Qwen2:
Comparing the BeOS kernel, Zeta kernel, NewOS Development kernel, and Haiku kernel involves looking at their origins, design philosophies, features, and intended use cases.
1. BeOS Kernel
Origin: BeOS was developed by Be Inc., a company founded in 1984 that aimed to create an operating system for multimedia computing. It was released in 1997.
Design Philosophy: BeOS was designed with a focus on user experience, ease of use, and multitasking capabilities. It introduced concepts like the desktop metaphor, which allowed users to interact with multiple applications simultaneously without needing to switch between them manually.
Features:
- Advanced GUI: Utilized the Motif toolkit for its graphical interface.
- Multitasking: Provided a robust system for managing multiple processes and threads efficiently.
- Real-time capabilities: Designed to handle multimedia tasks smoothly, including video playback and audio processing.
- Plug-in architecture: Allowed for easy integration of new features through plugins.
Intended Use Cases: Primarily aimed at desktop computing, with an emphasis on multimedia applications and high-end consumer electronics like PDAs.
2. Zeta Kernel
Origin: Zeta is a modern fork of the BeOS kernel that was started in 2013 by a group of developers who wanted to continue developing the BeOS legacy.
Design Philosophy: It aims to maintain compatibility with existing BeOS applications while improving stability, security, and performance. The goal is to create an updated version of BeOS for modern hardware.
Features:
- Compatibility: Maintains backward compatibility with most BeOS applications.
- Enhanced Security: Includes improvements in security features not present in the original BeOS.
- Modern Hardware Support: Optimized for newer CPU architectures and operating environments.
- Continued Development: Actively developed to fix bugs, add new features, and improve overall system stability.
Intended Use Cases: Primarily intended for enthusiasts who wish to use a modern version of the BeOS experience on contemporary hardware. It's also useful for developers looking to maintain compatibility with legacy applications while benefiting from updates in security and performance.
3. NewOS Development Kernel
Origin: NewOS is not widely recognized or documented, so it might refer to an internal project or a less-known fork of the BeOS kernel. There isn't much public information available about this specific kernel.
Design Philosophy: If referring to a hypothetical development effort, its design philosophy would likely aim at improving upon the original BeOS with modern computing needs in mind, such as better support for cloud services, enhanced security features, and improved performance on current hardware.
4. Haiku OS
Origin: Haiku is an open-source operating system that was started in 2001 by a group of developers who wanted to create a modern BeOS-like environment. It's not directly related to the BeOS kernel but shares many design principles and features inspired by it.
Design Philosophy: Haiku aims to provide a clean, fast, and user-friendly desktop experience with a focus on simplicity and elegance. It emphasizes stability, security, and compatibility with existing BeOS applications while being optimized for modern hardware.
Features:
- Modern GUI: Uses the Qt toolkit for its graphical interface.
- Stability and Security: Designed to be stable and secure out of the box.
- Compatibility: Supports a wide range of BeOS applications through compatibility layers.
- Performance: Optimized for high performance on modern hardware.
Intended Use Cases: Primarily intended as an operating system for desktop use, offering a fresh alternative with a focus on simplicity and efficiency. It's also useful for developers interested in creating or porting applications that can run smoothly across different platforms.
Comparison Summary:
- BeOS Kernel: Original OS designed for multimedia computing, with advanced GUI and multitasking capabilities.
- Zeta Kernel: A modern fork aiming to maintain compatibility while improving stability and security on contemporary hardware.
- NewOS Development Kernel (hypothetical): Likely focused on updating BeOS principles for modern computing needs.
- Haiku OS: An open-source operating system inspired by BeOS, offering a modern desktop experience with a focus on simplicity, stability, and performance.
Each of these systems has its own strengths and is tailored to different use cases, from maintaining the legacy of BeOS to providing an updated environment for multimedia computing or serving as a modern alternative in the open-source community."""
Qwen2.5
Comparing the BeOS kernel, Zeta kernel, NewOS Development kernel, and Haiku kernel involves looking at their origins, design philosophies, features, and intended use cases.
1. BeOS Kernel
Origin: BeOS was developed by Be Inc., a company founded in 1984 that aimed to create an operating system for multimedia computing. It was released in 1997.
Design Philosophy: BeOS was designed with a focus on user experience, ease of use, and multitasking capabilities. It introduced concepts like the desktop metaphor, which allowed users to interact with multiple applications simultaneously without needing to switch between them manually.
Features:
- Advanced GUI: Utilized the Motif toolkit for its graphical interface.
- Multitasking: Provided a robust system for managing multiple processes and threads efficiently.
- Real-time capabilities: Designed to handle multimedia tasks smoothly, including video playback and audio processing.
- Plug-in architecture: Allowed for easy integration of new features through plugins.
Intended Use Cases: Primarily aimed at desktop computing, with an emphasis on multimedia applications and high-end consumer electronics like PDAs.
2. Zeta Kernel
Origin: Zeta is a modern fork of the BeOS kernel that was started in 2013 by a group of developers who wanted to continue developing the BeOS legacy.
Design Philosophy: It aims to maintain compatibility with existing BeOS applications while improving stability, security, and performance. The goal is to create an updated version of BeOS for modern hardware.
Features:
- Compatibility: Maintains backward compatibility with most BeOS applications.
- Enhanced Security: Includes improvements in security features not present in the original BeOS.
- Modern Hardware Support: Optimized for newer CPU architectures and operating environments.
- Continued Development: Actively developed to fix bugs, add new features, and improve overall system stability.
Intended Use Cases: Primarily intended for enthusiasts who wish to use a modern version of the BeOS experience on contemporary hardware. It's also useful for developers looking to maintain compatibility with legacy applications while benefiting from updates in security and performance.
3. NewOS Development Kernel
Origin: NewOS is not widely recognized or documented, so it might refer to an internal project or a less-known fork of the BeOS kernel. There isn't much public information available about this specific kernel.
Design Philosophy: If referring to a hypothetical development effort, its design philosophy would likely aim at improving upon the original BeOS with modern computing needs in mind, such as better support for cloud services, enhanced security features, and improved performance on current hardware.
4. Haiku OS
Origin: Haiku is an open-source operating system that was started in 2001 by a group of developers who wanted to create a modern BeOS-like environment. It's not directly related to the BeOS kernel but shares many design principles and features inspired by it.
Design Philosophy: Haiku aims to provide a clean, fast, and user-friendly desktop experience with a focus on simplicity and elegance. It emphasizes stability, security, and compatibility with existing BeOS applications while being optimized for modern hardware.
Features:
- Modern GUI: Uses the Qt toolkit for its graphical interface.
- Stability and Security: Designed to be stable and secure out of the box.
- Compatibility: Supports a wide range of BeOS applications through compatibility layers.
- Performance: Optimized for high performance on modern hardware.
Intended Use Cases: Primarily intended as an operating system for desktop use, offering a fresh alternative with a focus on simplicity and efficiency. It's also useful for developers interested in creating or porting applications that can run smoothly across different platforms.
Comparison Summary:
- BeOS Kernel: Original OS designed for multimedia computing, with advanced GUI and multitasking capabilities.
- Zeta Kernel: A modern fork aiming to maintain compatibility while improving stability and security on contemporary hardware.
- NewOS Development Kernel (hypothetical): Likely focused on updating BeOS principles for modern computing needs.
- Haiku OS: An open-source operating system inspired by BeOS, offering a modern desktop experience with a focus on simplicity, stability, and performance.
Each of these systems has its own strengths and is tailored to different use cases, from maintaining the legacy of BeOS to providing an updated environment for multimedia computing or serving as a modern alternative in the open-source community.
It seems like Qwen2.5 has better RAG work and summarization. Early testing confirms this.
It goes way beyond OS history. Qwen2.5 has way less world knowledge across the board compared to Qwen2, which in turn already had less than Llama 3.1 and Gemma 2, but still more than Yi1.5 (the worst).
For example, ask about moderately popular songs, movies, TV shows, sports, and other popular domains of non-academic knowledge. Qwen2.5 answers far fewer questions correctly compared to Qwen2 and others.
I really wish they would stop chasing higher test scores. My primary concern is that other LLM makers (e.g. Google, Meta, and Mistral) will try to compete with their scores by doing the same thing that Phi, Yi, and now Qwen, does. Namely, suppress very popular world knowledge to focus training on academic tokens that are more likely to help boost test scores, reducing LLMs to little more than hallucination machines when it comes to most non-STEM aspect of humanity.