[12:12] GAH where is the / key on a german keyboard??? [12:12] shift+7 [12:13] maybe booting in german wasn't such a good idea... [12:14] seb128: computer menu seems to be lacking some translations, maybe? (livecd) [12:15] in which language ? [12:16] computer menu has a very bad translation level since we changed it and almost nobody sent translations [12:17] de_DE@euro [12:17] the de one should be ok [12:17] what string is missing ? [12:17] and I kinda suspect that 'Terminal' isn't german either [12:17] I see nothing but english in the Computer pulldown [12:17] Desktop Prefs looks good [12:17] I've not tested the livecd [12:18] as does system config [12:18] but for sure that works on a standard warty install [12:18] nothing, are you sure ? [12:18] seb128: not surprising, since I'm still playing with getting the damn thing more warty [12:18] even the screenshot entry ? [12:18] "Take Screenshot..." [12:19] this is an upstream translation [12:19] of course, OO.o startup bitches that the i18n system doesn't support locale "", so I'm thinking it may be something beyond gnome... [12:19] and comes up english [12:19] you have a problem with your environment [12:19] yep [12:20] I've a full german menu here, and the screenshot one is not a canonical change but an old upstream one [12:20] dpkg -L gnome-panel-data | grep locale/de [12:20] ? [12:21] locale bitches that it can't set LC_{CTYPE,MESSAGES,ALL} to the default locale: no such file [12:21] and then dumps 'de_DE@euro' for all of them (except LC_ALL) [12:21] weird === lamont tries booting more properly [12:29] sabdfl: so you're saying alex gathered everything from upstream rather than using the patches we have in our kernel source ready to go? [12:39] lamont: "Terminal" is german (at least that's the translation used in the Gnome menu) [12:39] doko: ok [12:39] lamont: what exactly is the problem (with the Live-CD?) [12:42] at this point, looking at various mostly minor things. [12:42] getting the artwork to be ubuntu artwork is my current test nemesis [12:42] after that, international language issues seem to be the more common ones [12:42] is there an ubuntu-ship package that depends on everything we ship on the CD?? === lamont thinks there should be. [12:42] ok, please email me where I can help. I'm going to bed now. [12:42] doko: ok. I hope to have an ISO on people.ubuntu.com in a few hours (before you wake up, in other words() [12:44] fine, good night. [01:11] lamont: can dpkg handle a depends line that long? [01:11] lamont: a couple years ago when i tried to make a kde-i18n depend on ~ 50 packages it wouldn't work [01:11] calc: so you split it up into pieces.. :) [01:12] but probably not [01:13] clearly your Binary lines weren't long enough [01:13] should've added more binary packages. lamont really likes it when you do that. [01:13] daniels: remind me to teach you a few new pressure points next time we're in the same room...... [01:14] daniels: heh [01:15] lamont: hey man, I'm the one working on breaking it up :) [01:15] lamont: last I checked, my xlibs/xfonts/xorg packages ran to about 57 source packages [01:15] daniels: is there a list of what still needs work on that part? [01:15] now, if I managed to sensibly get a Binary line >= 1024 from that, I think I should be commended, not killed [01:16] calc: yeah -- these were just preliminary packages. i still need to beat on the upstream xlibs and do releases of all the modules, then we need to sit down and do a patch audit. [01:16] (i managed to get 'massive vendor merge' on the x11r7 agenda, so this pain will dissipate.) [01:16] ok i am about 3/4 way through the arch tutorial then I can start trying to help out with that stuff [01:17] fabio and I haven't actually got it into arch yet [01:18] the split is that we have one source package for every upstream (fd.o) xlibs/apps package, one xfonts source package, and one 'xorg' source package that just contains the X server and Mesa, basically [01:18] (plus a couple of other libraries where breaking the build out would require massive, painful, code changes, e.g. Xfont) [01:18] oh, and a 'kdrive' source package [01:19] ok [01:19] that's the split I originally did, and the one I still favour doing. fabio has been exploring a different option, and his stuff is in XSF SVN, in the xorg module. [01:19] we're getting together for a fortnight in denmark, in a fortnight [01:19] and someone will dangle a bloodied scrap of meat, and whoever emerges the winner ... [01:19] heh [01:20] i think i've spent all the spare money i have until i get a job [01:20] hopefully i'll find one soon [01:32] mdz: empty partial files are bad juju for apt... === sivang [~pooh@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ddaa [~ddaa@nemesis.xlii.org] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:52] daniels: 2441 - lol [01:56] mdz: just realised that i never sent the mail i have written on the new livecd [01:57] yes, i think he's got the latest upstream module versions running on 2.6.7 [01:57] in general i think that's fine but afaics the firmware versions may have change [01:57] d [01:57] e.g. ipw2100 now requires firmware 1.3, and we are shipping 1.2 [01:59] personally, i think we should just go "whooooop" and put in the latest ipw2100, ipw2200 and fw, but i am only saying that because i know you'll decline the opportunity [01:59] :-) [01:59] the EDGE is for hoary, i know === lamont burns what he hopes will be the rcc liveCD, home edition [02:08] it must be emphasized that the live CD is a subset of the whole warty experience [02:08] jdub: images I'm testing are the first set I sent you, btw. [02:24] sabdfl: but will it bleed? [02:25] no doubt, no doubt [02:27] lamont: trying chocolate with the grub menu? [02:28] n/m [02:30] lamont: just randomly triaging [02:54] sabdfl: I would rather he use our versions [02:54] sabdfl: we've made bugfixes to them [02:54] yes, of course :-) [02:55] he needs to move the firmware into /lib/hotplug/firmware unless it also checks /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware [02:55] he also may need to tag the firmware with the kernel version [02:55] then i can test some more [02:55] night, i'm toast, an workrave has been insistent for a while === mirak_ [~mirak@adsl-68-252-71-169.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rublind [Julian@68.121.47.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] Can someone help me with my sound card problems? === Phr0stByte [~phr0stbyt@ip24-250-124-175.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #Ubuntu-devel [03:00] hehe,,,,hi guys === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mirak_ [~mirak@adsl-68-252-71-169.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [03:25] sabdfl: does ipw2200 work good? [03:25] sabdfl: aiui everything but monitor mode is in now(?) [03:26] how do you test monitor mode? [03:27] don't remember, i don't have working wifi under linux right now, i am waiting for the 2915abg to be released [03:27] if it works with hostap, you can try kismet to see whether monito mode works perhaps [03:27] jdub: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/testing/dscn1377.jpg [03:28] ipw2100 works with kismet, AFAIK === jdub installs kismet [03:29] I have 'source=hostap,eth1,hostapsource' in /etc/kismet/kismet.conf [03:32] jdub: how does that screen look? [03:32] you get 15 indexed colors, and about 640x480 to work in. I don't think it'll get much better. [03:32] so it looks like i'll have to put the arrows in and stuff [03:32] you want the pcx? [03:33] you sent it earlier [03:33] not this one [03:33] oh [03:33] ok [03:33] thanks [03:33] that one was about 10x too big [03:34] (it's really just warty-final-flat scaled to 640x480, and converted to 15 indexed colors) [03:34] still need to decide what to do with the penguin on the f2 screen. [03:34] getting dragged off to dinner, will publish the CD in a couple hours or so. [03:36] thanks! === hazmat [~hazmat@c-24-15-10-12.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] calc: ipw2200 works perfectly for me === daniels [daniel@fooishbar.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:15] mdz: cool :) [04:16] i can even connect to non-broadcast essids now ;) [04:16] i hope the 2915abg will work ok in my laptop being its not a centrino one [04:16] going to try to stick it in a amd64 laptop === jdub gives it a kermit-style yayyayayayyy! [04:20] btw, somebody referenced mjg59's ibm-does-not-want-me-to-change-wlan rant in reader's letter to a german computer magazine on an article about notebook upgrading [04:20] wow, that was a long sentence. Even more so after three beers [04:20] haha [04:20] that's cool [04:20] although [04:20] some times i worry about german magazines [04:21] oh? [04:21] weird shit turning up in them [04:21] heh [04:22] someone mailed me a clipping of an article talking about GARNOME once [04:22] some kind of flame about GARNOME being GNOME-specific or something [04:22] "GNOMEn schiesskopf, Jeff Waugh..." [04:22] hmm, I think I read a brief article about GARNOME in the above-mentioned magazine [04:23] didn't flame you personally, though =) === jdub was just imagining that quote ;) [04:32] Haha [04:32] I'm famous [04:33] s/famous/in&/ ;) [04:33] (And drunk. Unrelated.) [04:34] well, I'm drunk. And about being famous, my 'the Ubuntu development model' blog entry will hit DWN early next week, so you better point out all its flaws [04:34] mjg59: now that you're a star, you should be more careful about your help [04:34] azeem: that was a great entry, btw [04:34] (I didn't submit it, Joey must have picked it himself=) === Phr0stByte [~phr0stbyt@ip24-250-124-175.dc.dc.cox.net] has left #Ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [04:35] do you perve on dwn cvs or something, and ruin the fun? [04:36] I expected to be home 6 hours ago, and then got dragged to a club and bumped into some of my students [04:36] It's very distressing. You're not allowed to pull them. [04:37] hehe [04:37] jdub: I was bored or something [04:38] I need to find Dave Camp and make him fix the GtkFileChooser Beagle plugin [05:46] what's the lang code for afriakans? [05:51] daniels: you around? [05:53] morning guys [05:54] fabbione: does the xf86 autodetection require logic outside of xserver-xfree86? (That is, if I just have xresprobe and friends installed, does the right thing just happen)? [05:55] lamont: no. everything is optional [05:55] it always check if a detection tool exists before using it [05:55] otherwise it switches to internal default [05:55] fabbione: the other direction. [05:55] if it's installed, will it always use it? [05:55] lamont: if they are installed the magic should happen yes [05:55] and what packages need to be there for magic to happen? [05:55] xresprobe and? [05:56] discover1 mdetect laptop-detect xresprobe [05:56] what if discover1 isn't there...? [05:57] (liveCD has issues with discover1.) [05:58] lamont: it would ask for the video driver [05:58] but i was told that the livecd uses another detection system [05:58] ok. could be that the liveCD is doing a bunch of the autodetecting for X. [05:58] yeah [05:58] doesn't work on as much hardware as yours does, though [05:58] it doesn't use the same logic we do on plain installs [05:59] I'll leave yours absent then === lamont kicks off one more build, then syncs the template files over [06:00] lamont: what is the problem with discover1 on livecd? [06:00] lamont: is it going to go around on its own and rebuild gtk-sharp and then get the mono apps? [06:00] [06:00] [06:00] tseng: it should, but I've been swamped dealing with lvieCD issues. [06:00] cool [06:00] I'll kick it soon. [06:01] and get ppc through the mcs build and others. [06:01] lamont: well that's problably because there was a init script in it or something. [06:01] fabbione: probably [06:01] lamont: X uses only detect "video" [06:01] tseng: if it looks like one package needs a kick, telling me the name (in email), is the best way to go [06:02] ok [06:03] lamont: if you can you should give it a kick [06:03] lamont: (discover1) [06:03] and see what happens [06:07] fabbione: step 1) rcc liveCD. step 2) artwork from jdub, step 3) add more packages, step 4) kick discover1 [06:11] roger :-) [06:12] i need to test the last bug fixes on X [06:12] hrm.. I also need to sync the latest kernel from Alex === lamont wanders off for a few minutes [06:23] mdz: ping [07:03] tseng: kicking gtk-sharp and monodoc [07:04] tseng: any chance you built amd64 bits too? powerpc? [07:04] or just i386? === vorlon twitches his nose at the mention of those packages in the context of portability. [07:07] yeah, thought so. === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:lamont] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | Happy Ubuntu Artwork week! | 7 (count 'em) major bugs | please test http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/testing/warty-live-20041017-05.iso [07:08] 687736832 bytes will fit on a CD, yes? :-) [07:09] lamont: well, more because of the Debian maintainer's current attitude towards portability concerns than due to the portability problems in mono itself. :) [07:09] vorlon: what concerns? :-( [07:10] lamont: see the changelog for the last mono upload, where rather than providing minimal support for !pet archs, Zomb changed the Architecture line. [07:12] that's lazyness [07:12] what do I have to kill to get my firefox bookmarks back? [07:14] ah, import is your friend. [07:15] vorlon: good thing they plan to keep mono out of testing, eh? [07:15] unstable (interpreters): The Mono .NET development environment [07:15] 1.0.2-1: i386 powerpc s390 [07:15] 1.0.1-1: alpha arm sparc [07:16] : alpha not in arch list: i386 powerpc s390 -- skipping [07:16] lamont: yeah. I did what I could to point them in the right direction, but if this is their attitude, they're on their own. :P [07:16] yeah [07:18] fixating === lamont-live [~warty@rover3.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:27] LiveCD, home edition seems happuy === lamont just finally noticed that cdrecord says 'Asuming -tao ...' [07:28] needs another 's' === maskie [~maskie@196-30-111-145.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont rips some 'warty live CD "home edition"' test CD's for some local folks [07:38] although I suppose I should go into town and download the real test CD.. === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:51] HMMMM [07:52] fabbione: why are you HMMMMing? [07:57] i found another error in X autoconfig logic but that's easy to fix [07:58] fabbione: yep. right after warty [07:58] it's a suboptimal fix but it works fine [07:58] lamont: nope.. it will be in warty [07:59] g'luck [07:59] it's part of a previous fix that mdz allowed to fix [08:00] * Respect selection-method user value on reconfiguration. [08:00] it's like: [08:00] if ! reconfiguring; then [08:00] blabla [08:00] fi [08:01] but it solves a bunch of interesting user horror experiences [08:01] like people that were running resolution XxY [08:01] and all of sudden they were bumped back to 640x480 after an upgrade [08:02] oops. :-( [08:12] lamont: either today or during this week i will get my sparc up and running. [08:12] lamont: after the release do you mind to help me setting up the buildd for warty/hoary? [08:12] lamont: just tell me a time that fits you best and i will sleep/not sleep around it ;) [08:13] fabbione: sure. Once we release, I have a desparate need to finish my wife's van (before I really do get killed), and I need to finish writing up the "so you want to bootstrap an architecture" paper. [08:14] basically step 1 is to use snapshot.debian.org, 2004-06-28 to build a then-sarge chroot, then build all of the build-depends and chroot components. Then you build a new chroot using the built components, and build everything. [08:14] at each step, preface the instructions with "do whatever it takes" [08:15] if it took very much evil, then plan on a complete clean rebuild of everything at the end. [08:15] then there's di, of course. [08:15] lamont: yup.. no rush about it. I need to get the hardware installed first ;) [08:15] but once the port is complete, and everyone believes that it'll stay current, then we get to build the beast in the data center. [08:16] lamont: yes i know about the DC stuff [08:16] lamont: but i need to get used to admin a real buildd [08:16] and test everything locally [08:17] new buildd coming for hoary anyway [08:18] and buildd assumes that you have w-b access, which we don't outside the data center. [08:19] i know [08:19] but i can still use a local repo to do the first port [08:20] yep. I'm looking at mini-dinstall to see if that'll work with what I want, or if I get to grow my own. [08:21] lamont: http://debdev.fabbione.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/debarch/kelly?rev=1.4&view=log [08:21] that's almost a Debian pool [08:24] heh === hazmat [~hazmat@c-24-15-10-12.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shlomil [~shlomi@80.179.93.228.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [~pooh@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang sivang downloading lamont's live cd for testing. === Keybuk [scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hazmat [~hazmat@c-24-15-10-12.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shlomil [~shlomi@80.179.93.228.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] jdub: I didn't realise the tomboy guy was unemployed === sivang is also unemployed :) Jobs are not easily found these days, especially open source ones...(although Israel's high tech is recovering) [12:05] does anybody know if we already have an eclipse package? === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-8-27.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] lamont: sup? [12:23] he's probably asleep :) [12:24] bong === shlomil [~root@80.179.93.228.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dand [~dand@83.103.205.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [~pooh@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-5-45.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] ' [01:07] ' [01:18] lamont: awake? === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] doko : probably still asleep [01:56] sivang: he wanted to leave the live-CD for testing, do you know where I can find it? === x4m [~max@7-220.243.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] doko : see channel's topic [02:00] doko : http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/testing/warty-live-20041017-05.iso [02:01] I got it at 98.9KB's , no rsync daemon running there though. [02:01] Am going to test it when I come back.. [02:02] daniels : you are still uploading packages by a sponser? (reading through your blog) [02:03] sivang: debian packages, yeah [02:03] haven't been able to bootstrap a chroot yet [02:04] daniels : nither do it, if you'd like to share some experience with me - I'd be glad [02:08] sivang: debootstrap sid ~/chroot/sid http://http.au.debian.org/debian/ /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/sid, should do it === doko [doko@dsl-084-057-038-079.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nobse [tretkowski@ridcully.inittab.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] hi [02:38] I just realized that subversion is in main, but subversion-tools is in universe. They are both from the same source package. [02:39] Is this intended? [02:56] Mithrandir: yes [02:57] lamont: I don't think ubuntu-ship is a good idea - it's not necessarily expected that people will install *all* of ship [02:57] nobse: the main/universe-from-same-source-package is normal and expected; whether subversion-tools should be in main is a different question ... [02:57] (I think it should - if we support subversion we should support subversion-tools) [02:57] nobse: please mail ubuntu-devel [02:59] Kamion: alright [03:00] nobse: it is, however - er, how can I put this - VERY VERY LATE to be adding new packages to main :) [03:00] nobse: it'll probably be a hoary thing [03:01] hehe, sure :) [03:01] I just wondered... [03:02] But I'll ask on -devel. [03:21] warty-live-20041017-5 does not start :( [03:26] I get 'Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(9,0)' [03:34] linuxrc,splashes, static compiled bins in miniroot.gz are not there [03:46] hi amu === sivang [~pooh@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] hi jdub === nobse [tretkowski@ridcully.inittab.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:01] jdub: gnoppix mirror on linux.org.au is out of sync, Anand runs the server ? [04:01] he helps out yeah === plovs [~plovs@62.84.21.44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === inklingx [~inklingx@u212-239-167-156.adsl.pi.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:20] lamont: sorry, i have no {amd64,ppc} for testing anything. === Keybuk [~scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:36] tseng: np [04:37] just means I have to do them the hard way. :-) [04:37] assuming that amd64 will even build the beast, that is... how is 64-bit support? [04:37] hm well [04:37] the latest devel branch i think is that one that has native 64 [04:38] the stable (1.0.1) used a slower runtime interpreter (mint) on amd rather than -jit [04:38] the mono packages depend appropriately on -jit | -mint [04:38] amu: sigh [04:39] tseng: so I won't even bother trying amd64, sound right? [04:39] hey [04:40] ive never tried it myself, one of the gentoo amd64 guys said it sucked [04:40] on the converse, a few people have bugged me about not nhaving amd64 in there [04:42] the source packages will be there, so they will be able to do the same thing I did === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:lamont] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | Happy Ubuntu Artwork week! | 7 (count 'em) major bugs [04:43] I may try bootstrapping it at the same time as ppc (otoh, ppc has debian 1.0.1-1 bits) === lamont discovers the screwup with 20041017-05, rebuilds after a trivial fix in the build scripts. [04:46] lamont: looks like there is another reverse dep on gtk-sharp and monodoc [04:46] er, s/reverse/circular/g [04:46] tseng: yeah, was working on that last night some. [04:46] I'll clear it first thing in the morning. [04:47] :) [04:47] right now I need to run away for the day === blueboy [~blueboy@149.Red-217-126-76.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:47] well, with a pass back by in about 20 minutes to upload 20041018-16 or such [04:54] lamont: servus ;) [05:01] /join #python === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:lamont] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | Happy Ubuntu Artwork week! | 7 (count 'em) major bugs | please test http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/testing/warty-live-20041018-16.iso [05:06] where one change is not one change, but rather 3. :-( === tseng wget === lamont leaves [05:06] cya. [05:06] well, first another strong glance at the output of the CD build === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:09] nothing leaps out at me. later [05:37] fabbione: pong [05:37] mdz: hey [05:38] you did catch me in a 3 minutes break [05:38] ;) [05:38] mdz: i found another error related to the 640x480 problem [05:38] fabbione: I read a bit in scrollback [05:38] one block was not wrapped to be executed only on install [05:38] and it was resetting some values across upgrades [05:39] it was noted by some users that "after upgrade -> reboot my X was at 640x480" [05:39] the fix is very simple [05:39] well, since you have an X upload pending already, let's add it to that [05:39] if [ -z "$2" ] ; then [05:39] ok [05:39] i did already [05:39] i was waiting blessing :-) [05:39] that needs to be uploaded very soon [05:39] mdz: tomorrow morning or later today [05:39] so that it can see a bit of testing before release [05:40] i had to wait for daniles and you [05:40] daniels reported that it is not possible to patch X for the color thing [05:40] anyway i need to go away now [05:40] i might take 10 minutes and upload later [05:40] all changes have been tested [05:40] cya [05:44] mdz: Hiya! Recently you asked me to upload g-v-m to my unofficial repo (#2370). Do you plan to allow it into Warty? [05:45] fabbione: ok [05:46] pitti: yes, I would like to [05:46] but it is getting quite late now [05:46] I tested it a bit [05:46] mdz: that's why I'm asking. The more we wait, the worse is uploading it [05:47] mdz: it's not the most important thing, though, but it is no new code after all... [05:47] it looks good [05:47] go ahead and upload [05:47] mdz: I can announce it again on -users/-devel and we can see [05:47] mdz: oh, okay. If it should cause problems, I can revert the patch [05:47] right [05:48] mdz: okay, I'll upload. Thanks. === blueboy [~blueboy@149.Red-217-126-76.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:10] mdz: yes, not possible to do this sort of thing properly === SuperLag [~colbyirc@CPE-69-76-188-71.kc.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:11] daniels: brilliant === mdz hugs X === sabdfl wonders what it feels like to ug an ageing porcupine [07:27] to ug? [07:29] mdz: was anacron just forgotten to be included in the seeds, or is that deliberate? [07:30] pitti: see the bug about it [07:30] mdz: oh, thanks === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-68-92-227-78.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:41] jdub: what is in multiverse? [07:41] hornbeck: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz [07:42] azeem: thanks === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-5-45.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:51] Hi seb128! Nice Sunday evening! [07:51] hello pitti :) [07:52] thanks [07:58] mdz: you still haven't actually provided any evidence of these so-called problems with it :) it's always worked fine for me [08:04] seb128: what happened to my nice panel setting? [08:04] what ? [08:05] i got the error about the trash applet [08:05] i answered to keep it [08:05] and all my nice little tiny icons just disappeared [08:06] i had a bunch of them on the panel [08:06] "the error" ? which one .. ? [08:06] I don't have any problem [08:06] you lost your configuration ? [08:07] the one that says that there was an error opening the trash applet [08:07] and asking if i wanted to keep it or delete it [08:07] and basically all my panel settings are gone [08:07] kill the panel [08:07] killall gnome-panel [08:07] done [08:08] it's the same [08:08] they are gone [08:09] hum, the icons were some launchers ? [08:10] seb128: yes [08:10] xterm, mozilla and a couple of few more [08:10] anyway.. not a big big deal [08:10] weird [08:10] just curious if anybody saw this before [08:10] afaik we never got a bug report about a such problem [08:10] i have /home on NFS if that makes a difference [08:10] ok [08:10] than it must be a moon ray hitting my netcable [08:10] ;) [08:10] gotta go [08:10] later [08:11] thanks [08:11]