2022/06/15/#kubuntu.txt

[01:12] <IrcsomeBot> <blahblahblah269> Ok (re @munawar707: 2GB minimum and 4GB is for comfortable usage)
[01:13] <IrcsomeBot> <blahblahblah269> Okie dokie, thanks (re @IrcsomeBot: <oerheks> yes, minimum specs are upgraded to 4 gb. for all versions)
[03:25] <andrew> a
[03:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, what's happenin'?
[03:26] <andrew> ello
[03:42] <andrew> i should update the packages
[03:42] <andrew> 133 packages to update
[03:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Yes. Any time you see your system prompt you to upgrade, you should do it at the earliest possible opportunity.
[03:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Doing so will help prevent your system from being hacked.
[03:44] <andrew> i got a "cannot obtain lock" error
[03:45] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew: OK, then just wait. Your system is probably automatically updating critical packages in the background, which will prevent a full update until it's done with that. Give it thirty minutes or so and then try again.
[03:45] <andrew> ok
[04:11] <andrew> test
[04:12] <andrew> test
[04:16] <andrew> test
[04:17] <andrew> i figured out how to set the taskbar on top
[04:33] <andrew> is there a way to make the icons a bit smaller?
[04:41] <arraybolt3[m]> andrew: I think you have to shrink the whole taskbar to shrink the icons.
[04:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Right-click taskbar, then click "Enter edit mode", and you'll be able to shrink the taskbar.
[04:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Use the "-" button.
[05:44] <andrew> wait
[05:44] <andrew> kubuntu has support for bitlocked partitions?
[05:53] <andrew> this is a: test
[06:10] <arraybolt3[m]> It appears Kubuntu 22.04 supports BitLocker out of the box, from what I'm finding.
[06:11] <arraybolt3[m]> However, this is probably only useful if you're accessing Windows files. If you're making a new encrypted drive in Linux, LUKS is preferable (and also supported out of the box).
[06:51] <andrew> i cant write to bitlocked partitions
[06:52] <andrew> i think this is a limitation
[06:52] <andrew> or im just dumb
[06:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Can you unmount the BitLocker partition, then do "sudo apt install dislocker", then try again?
[06:54] <arraybolt3[m]> That "sudo apt install dislocker" is a terminal command you can run in Konsole.
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[08:46] <IrcsomeBot> <Simon> puu9
[09:25] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> How to format USB stick on KDE?
[09:25] <arraybolt3[m]> munawar707: KDE Partition Manager.
[09:26] <arraybolt3[m]> munawar707: Select the USB drive (be very careful to select the right drive!), make a new partition table (choosing the msdos kind), then create a fat32 partition on the drive and apply changes.
[09:27] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> No direct way of doing so from here? : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/76e993b6/file_57083.jpg
[09:37] <arraybolt3[m]> munawar707: Sadly, no. This is one shortcoming of Kubuntu - the only way I know of to format a USB drive is with a partition manager.
[09:38] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> Also don’t worry I use both Kubuntu and Opensuse
[09:39] <IrcsomeBot> <Anarchotaoist> Despite all the articles on the new Overview window there is almost no talk on how to activate it! One source says Meta + W key. This opens a Latte Dock setting! I also tried setting a window edge to trigger Overview. This did nothing. How can I open Overview in 5.25.5? Thanks!
[09:39] <andrew> hello
[09:41] <andrew> im installing dislocker
[09:41] <IrcsomeBot> <Anarchotaoist> Despite all the articles on the new Overview window there is almost no talk on how to activate it! One source says Meta + W key. This opens a Latte Dock setting! I also tried setting a window edge to trigger Overview. This did nothing. How can I open Overview in 5.24.5? Thanks!
[09:42] <andrew> and then?
[09:42] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> The default is Meta+W (re @Anarchotaoist: Despite all the articles on the new Overview window there is almost no talk on how to activate it! One source says Meta + W key. This opens a Latte Dock setting! I also tried setting a window edge to trigger Overview. This did nothing. How can I open Overview in 5.24.5? Thanks!)
[09:42] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> https://irc-attachments.kde.org/14c37576/file_57084.jpg
[09:42] <andrew> whats meta?
[09:43] <andrew> is it like the special key for os?
[09:43] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> what would be the windows key in most cases
[09:43] <andrew> oh
[09:44] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> maybe latte has taken that over?
[09:45] <andrew> whats latte?
[09:45] <andrew> oh
[09:45] <andrew> a dock?
[09:45] <IrcsomeBot> <Anarchotaoist> Thanks Rik. My current 'Toggle Overview' say s 'no active shortcuts'. If I set it to Meta + W will this conflict with Latte Settings? Not that I open Latte Settings with the shortcut. (re @RikMills: )
[09:46] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> I would think not (re @Anarchotaoist: Thanks Rik. My current 'Toggle Overview' say s 'no active shortcuts'. If I set it to Meta + W will this conflict with Latte Settings? Not that I open Latte Settings with the shortcut.)
[09:46] <IrcsomeBot> <Anarchotaoist> Thanks!
[09:46] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> yes, latte-dock is a dock app
[09:46] <andrew> oh
[09:48] <IrcsomeBot> <Anarchotaoist> hmmm, it allowed me to re-assign it - but now it brings up letters over the dock. 😳
[09:50] <IrcsomeBot> <Anarchotaoist> hmmm, it allowed me to re-assign it - but now it brings up letters over the dock. 😳 No Overview.
[09:52] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> Not sure then :/
[09:52] <IrcsomeBot> <Anarchotaoist> Screen Edges does not work still either. I will try a  reboot.
[09:55] <andrew> how do i get back from latte to default taskbar?
[09:55] <IrcsomeBot> <Anarchotaoist> It is now triggering after a reboot! ✅ Window displays are transparent though.
[09:57] <IrcsomeBot> <Anarchotaoist> It is now triggering after a reboot! ✅ Some app window are displayed as transparent though.
[09:57] <IrcsomeBot> <Anarchotaoist> It is now triggering after a reboot! ✅ Some app windows are displayed as transparent though.
[09:58] <IrcsomeBot> <Anarchotaoist> It is now triggering after a reboot! ✅ Some app windows are displayed as transparent though. Edit: but work after selecting each individual window.
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[10:00] <andrew> oh
[10:00] <andrew> i figured it out
[10:01] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> They are ok here, but my only real hardware with compositing is running 5.25 (re @Anarchotaoist: It is now triggering after a reboot! ✅ Some app windows are displayed as transparent though. Edit: but work after selecting each individual window.)
[10:02] <IrcsomeBot> <Anarchotaoist> All good now! Thanks for your help Rik! 🙏 (re @RikMills: They are ok here, but my only real hardware with compositing is running 5.25)
[10:02] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> https://irc-attachments.kde.org/5838a54e/giphy.mp4
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:30] <andrew> hello
[15:25] <eduardp> Any news about kde 5.25 yet?
[15:28] <RikMills> eduardp: there are some bugs I am not 100% happy with not yet fixed
[15:29] <RikMills> but you can try it with ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing
[15:30] <RikMills> for example: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=454161
[15:30] <ubottu> KDE bug 454161 in Powerdevil "Brightness stuck at 30%" [Major, Confirmed]
[15:30] <RikMills> that affect a small proportion of people with intel graphics
[15:31] <arraybolt3[m]> eduardp: Just a word of warning from my own experience, don't install the PPA on a production system. It may cause things to go haywire. Try it in a VM or a spare installation of Kubuntu.
[15:32] <RikMills> the 5.25.1 bugfix release is due on Tuesday, so I may well wait for that
[15:39] <eduardp> Hi Rik, thanks. I might give it a try. I have an intel graphics card... so it might be a problem. Anyway, I will report if something is not working. Thanks!!!
[15:42] <IrcsomeBot> <Simon> Hello. I was hoping to switch to Kubuntu but I noticed that Haruna is not the latest version and the Snap is also outdated, not maintained
[15:44] <IrcsomeBot> <Simon> The other question I had is whether Kubuntu LTS receives bug fixed over time for KDE or is the desktop frozen so to say
[15:44] <fusionfuture> Simon: see previous kubuntu versions
[15:44] <IrcsomeBot> <Simon> Here I am not talking about backports
[15:45] <IrcsomeBot> <Simon> Sorry what do you mean (re @IrcsomeBot: <fusionfuture> Simon: see previous kubuntu versions)
[15:46] <IrcsomeBot> <RikMills> 22.04 will get plasma bugfix releases
[15:46] <fusionfuture> If kubuntu 16.04 18.04 20.04 can receive bug fixes for KDE, then so will 22.04
[15:47] <IrcsomeBot> <Simon> Ok thanks. And are these fixes only passed on from KDE so to say or does Kubuntu also do „internal“ Plasma improvements
[15:47] <fusionfuture> also KDE Plasma desktop is not supported officially by most distributions, so if you want a stable experience, use GNOME instead.
[15:49] <IrcsomeBot> <Simon> Yes thats the issue. Right now I use Fedora Plasma and I am wondering if Kubuntu will work better for me, since I have good experiences with stock Ubuntu (re @IrcsomeBot: <fusionfuture> also KDE Plasma desktop is not supported officially by most distributions, so if you want a stable experience, use GNOME instead.)
[16:00] <oerheks> one surely need the latest karuna, as it gives youtube-dl
[16:09] <IrcsomeBot> <Simon> Yes but only Flathub seems to have the latest version (re @IrcsomeBot: <oerheks> one surely need the latest karuna, as it gives youtube-dl)
[16:26] <ostap-tymchenko> hey ive never used libera chat, can someone explain what it is? the website doesnt seem to have much info
[16:26] <arraybolt3[m]> ostap-tymchenko: It's basically just a server full of chat rooms. The room you're in right now is the official live chat support channel for the Kubuntu operating system.
[16:27] <oerheks> !irc
[16:27] <ubottu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !Libera channels, see !Alis - See also !Guidelines
[16:27] <oerheks> not all channels accept matrix, so use an IRC client
[16:27] <arraybolt3[m]> If you're using Ubuntu or an official Ubuntu flavour, you can get live chat support for fixing various issues on the #ubuntu channel, or for the channel for your particular flavour (i.e., #kubuntu, #lubuntu, #ubuntustudio)
[16:28] <ostap-tymchenko> thank you, is there a reason that this is used instead of discord or element or somthing of that nature?
[16:28] <ostap-tymchenko> its seems very basic
[16:28] <ostap-tymchenko> in its functinality i mean
[16:28] <arraybolt3[m]> ostap-tymchenko: It works well on many different platforms.
[16:29] <arraybolt3[m]> ostap-tymchenko: Very old computers, systems with no GUI, etc., can use IRC. Plus, it's old and known to work well. Other systems like Discord and Element might not work well in all situations.
[16:29] <oerheks> IRC is the oldest, and best social medium
[16:29] <arraybolt3[m]> (That being said, I'm using Element right now - the Ubuntu channels bridge it to IRC.)
[16:29] <oerheks> have fun, ostap-tymchenko !
[16:29] <ostap-tymchenko> allright than, thank you all
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[16:30] <enigma9o7[m]> all of libera as well as oftc are supported thru matrix bridge
[16:30] <eduardp>  Hi everybody, I installed kde 5.25 in kubuntu using an special backport. I don't see any place to activate-deactivate gestures. Touchpad options seem similar to 5.24. I used to have a program (don't remember now witch) that had configured to track gestures (fishuma?), so I know the trackpad someway sends 3 finguer movements so somewhere in linux.
[16:30] <eduardp>  Any clue on what to check?
[16:30] <oerheks> enigma9o7[m], no, not true.
[16:30] <enigma9o7[m]> so if you want a more modern looking client, you can use it, but be aware if you edit things you already posted, users on irc see repeats of messages
[16:31] <enigma9o7[m]> Which part?
[16:31] <oerheks> all of libera , certainly there are channels that do not accept matrix
[16:31] <enigma9o7[m]> I may be mistaken but not sure what yer referring to.
[16:32] <enigma9o7[m]> Hmmm well okay if you say so, I imagine they did something to block matrix users or somethiing.
[16:39] <lemongrasscap> i had a question, i main kubuntu and was installing it on a diferent partition for testing and during the install proces I forgot to change the boot slot?  not sure what to call it this thing that says "device for boot loader install" https://imgur.com/a/jOFAwAi and it overode my main os's so now i have to select the test os and from there select my actuall os, does anyone know how to fix this?
[16:58] <IrcsomeBot> <munawar707> Next week? (re @IrcsomeBot: <eduardp> Hi Rik, thanks. I might give it a try. I have an intel graphics card... so it might be a problem. Anyway, I will report if something is not working. Thanks!!!)
[17:11] <arraybolt3[m]> lemongrasscap: It might be possible to fix, but be warned that fiddling with the bootloader can cause more trouble than you'd expect. You can try using the boot-repair tool, which (if all goes well) should give you a GRUB boot menu that allows you to boot either OS. Or you can boot into Windows, reinstall the Windows bootloader, and then nuke your ability to get into Linux entirely. I'm not aware of other solutions to the problem.
[17:12] <arraybolt3[m]> lemongrasscap: Personally, I'd go with boot-repair, and then enable os-prober in Kubuntu to make sure that future GRUB updates still allow you to boot into Windows (or whatever your main OS is).
[17:38] <IrcsomeBot> <Numerion> Wow it worked. During the boot, I chose recovery mode, the system started up, during the update I received small fixes on the Nvidia video cards for the 510 video driver - after installing everything and rebooting - everything works) (re @IrcsomeBot: <tomreyn> i do not know what "problem with Finished Terminale Plymouth Boot Screen" is, so i would not be able to guess whether installing the pending nvidia proprietary driver update (automatic
[18:34] <IrcsomeBot> <nayibmc> Hello! Does anyone know how to hide these folders in Dolphin without changing their names? I know the . trick, but then Firefox and Telegram would just recreate them : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/a1ef5c16/file_57092.jpg
[18:36] <oerheks> nayibmc there is a trick, to hide the snap folder, also you can apply this to others
[18:36] <oerheks> echo snap >> ~/.hidden
[18:36] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/882562/how-can-i-change-or-hide-the-snap-directory
[18:37] <oerheks> so,"~/Downloads/Telegram desktop"
[18:46] <IrcsomeBot> <nayibmc> Thanks! That worked
[18:47] <oerheks> have fun!
[19:50] <ejfmoura> ola
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[22:23] <Guest2371> aw
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[22:24] <Wheatley> my disk space is fulll
[22:24] <Wheatley> i have to get rid of ventoy
[22:28] <Wheatley> ill just create another partition
[22:28] <Wheatley> i dont want to get the wifi bug
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[23:07] <ostap-tymchenko> i hecked up my system by installing ubuntu on top and not changing boot partition so it overode it, i was wondering if anyone could give me a copy of their boot partition so i can check every part that is diferent from the one i have and replace the UUID's and partition locations so that i can boot directly into my os or you can point me to a resource where i can figure out what my boot partiton needs to have in it or just tell me how to generate a
[23:07] <ostap-tymchenko> new one. i tried using the Ubuntu boot repair tool but that did not work it just hung, both in my os, live enviorments, and other os's. also any help would be aprecieted.
[23:16] <arraybolt3[m]> ostap-tymchenko: Given the potentially drastic differences between system setups, I don't think a boot partition copy will help (though I'm happy to make and send one if you'd like). Are you only able to boot into the new OS you just installed?
[23:16] <arraybolt3[m]> ostap-tymchenko: If so, and if you're using (K)Ubuntu 22.04, you should be able to just enable os-prober and then do sudo update-grub.
[23:17] <arraybolt3[m]> I wrote a guide on enabling os-prober here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1410398/just-installed-ubuntu-22-04-on-a-dual-boot-setup-now-my-other-os-isnt-showing
[23:17] <arraybolt3[m]> (I used grub-mkconfig in the link I posted, but either one should work.)
[23:18] <arraybolt3[m]> (Either one of grub-mkconfig or update-grub, I mean.)
[23:21] <ostap-tymchenko> i am able to go to my main os, when i go thru boot select i get a choice that looks like this 1)wrong os 2)wrong os advanced options 3)main os 4)main os advanced options 5) bios 6) exit
[23:21] <ostap-tymchenko> i will take a look at your guide, thank you
[23:22] <arraybolt3[m]> ostap-tymchenko: Oh, so you are able to boot into your main OS still?
[23:25] <ostap-tymchenko> yeah im here right now
[23:25] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Then it sounds like you need to set the main OS as default and make it automatically boot, so that you have to use the Esc trick to boot into the other OS.
[23:26] <arraybolt3[m]> You should be able to figure out how to do this from the Info pages for GRUB, but I'll see if I can get to the pages and point you in the right direction.
[23:27] <ostap-tymchenko> oh that would be nice
[23:27] <ostap-tymchenko> thank you
[23:29] <arraybolt3[m]> ostap-tymchenko: OK, so open /etc/default/grub in a text editor (sudo nano /etc/default/grub), then change GRUB_DEFAULT to 2, and change GRUB_TIMEOUT to 0. Then run sudo update-grub (or sudo grub-mkconfig /boot/grub/grub.cfg), reboot, and see if that fixes it.
[23:30] <ostap-tymchenko> can i ask why grub default 2?
[23:31] <ostap-tymchenko> also i already had timeout on 0 not sure what that means
[23:31] <ostap-tymchenko> but i guess thats ok
[23:31] <arraybolt3[m]> ostap-tymchenko: It references the third entry in your GRUB menu (zero-indexed).
[23:31] <ostap-tymchenko> i dont know if it would be third
[23:32] <ostap-tymchenko> is there somthing that makes you say third?
[23:32] <arraybolt3[m]> ostap-tymchenko: If it's wrong OS, wrong OS advanced options, right OS, then the third is right OS. (I thought that was the order you said a bit ago.)
[23:32] <ostap-tymchenko> yes i just wanted to ask
[23:32] <ostap-tymchenko> i didnt know how it worked
[23:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Whatever item number the main OS is, subtract one from that number and plug it into GRUB_DEFAULT.
[23:33] <ostap-tymchenko> allright, i will try and boot
[23:33] <ostap-tymchenko> see you in a moment
[23:33] <ostap-tymchenko> hopefully
[23:33] <arraybolt3[m]> I got my info from here, if you're interested. https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/grub.html#Configuration
[23:36] <ostap-tymchenko> hello i am here now
[23:36] <ostap-tymchenko> well it didnt really do anything
[23:36] <ostap-tymchenko> it just let me pick and didnt default boot into anythin
[23:36] <ostap-tymchenko> anything*
[23:36] <ostap-tymchenko> also i had time to think about it while i was reobooting
[23:37] <ostap-tymchenko> wouldnt this solution mean that i have to keep wrong os around?
[23:37] <arraybolt3[m]> ostap-tymchenko: That's odd. Maybe there's something more in the manual I linked to that would help?
[23:37] <ostap-tymchenko> sure im ready to try stuff
[23:37] <arraybolt3[m]> ostap-tymchenko: Sorta, but it would be easy enough to fix in the future.
[23:38] <ostap-tymchenko> i think next ill try this guide on reinstalling grub https://gparted.org/display-doc.php?name=help-manual&lang=C#gparted-fix-grub-boot-problem
[23:39] <ostap-tymchenko> the only thing is im not sure if i should go with the option of reinstalling it directly on my os
[23:39] <ostap-tymchenko> or the boot partition
[23:39] <ostap-tymchenko> because i have a boot partition
[23:39] <ostap-tymchenko> but it was overiden so now i dont think it will boot to my os if i fix it \
[23:39] <ostap-tymchenko> but im not sure
[23:39] <ostap-tymchenko> i was wondering what you think
[23:40] <arraybolt3[m]> ostap-tymchenko: Looking at it now.
[23:40] <andrew__> how do i run krusader as root
[23:40] <andrew__> when i type my password in
[23:40] <andrew__> it errors
[23:48] <andrew__> wait
[23:48] <andrew__> pcman file manager works
[23:48] <andrew__> ill just use this